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Old 11-28-2014, 10:08 AM   #1
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Old 11-29-2014, 06:22 AM   #2
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Why do you keep changing your company's name? This is your 3rd name in less than 5 months. Why didn't you ever respond to my PM's from this summer?

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Beware of their "roll bearing" IMSB-from Germany. There is no such thing as a roll bearing.Roller bearing?
Read all you can about the dismal experience of using roller bearings for the IMS. The key word is 'thrust' .
Strangely this Chicago area company advertises their gearbox in Craig's List as far away as Los Angeles- in the 'for sale by owner' section -not in the dealer section.
Caveat Emptor.
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Beware of their "roll bearing" IMSB-from Germany. There is no such thing as a roll bearing.Roller bearing?
Read all you can about the dismal experience of using roller bearings for the IMS. The key word is 'thrust' .
Strangely this Chicago area company advertises their gearbox in Craig's List as far away as Los Angeles- in the 'for sale by owner' section -not in the dealer section.
Caveat Emptor.
The product is actually Swiss, and is called the EPS Eternal Fix:

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Unless I'm mistaken, Jake looked at this design and fount it had too many drawbacks.
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Our customers are pretty happy with our rebuilt engines, no complaints whatsoever regarding our IMS bearings. We have tested them ourselves, and know that they're superior quality bearings.
Our partner shops in Europe have been using them for much longer than we have, and they never had a problem.
Our IMS is much cheaper than other well known bearings, if anybody wants to buy the more expensive bearing it's their choice.
There are other options out there, same as with buying rebuilt engines. It's not rocket science, or flight to the moon, many Porsche owners appreciate the alternative we offer.

As to: "Jake looked at this design and fount it had too many drawbacks"- that's probably because his company didn't produce it.

Re Flavor 987S question: Look at our face book page, there's an explanation why we have changed our name. We will not respond to your pm's, because we don't want to lower ourselves to your level.
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Re Flavor 987S question: Look at our face book page, there's an explanation why we have changed our name. We will not respond to your pm's, because we don't want to lower ourselves to your level.
I don't use Facebook. You owe the Forum an explanation why your company keeps changing your name, not to pass us off to Facebook explanation.

In my PM, all I asked for was your name, so when I came out to your shop, I'd have the right contact person behind the screen name Porsche-land. Nothing too difficult about that. What are you afraid of?
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As to: "Jake looked at this design and fount it had too many drawbacks"- that's probably because his company didn't produce it.
Trust this isn't the case.

It may be the simplest explanation for the opposition, but its not the case.

There are THREE different roller bearing kits that have been developed. EPS is ONE of those three. These are roller bearing kits, not including other forms of retrofit.

The original roller bearing kit was developed in the Pacific Northwest by one single individual.

I have a vehicle here now with a roller bearing kit installed, it has 900 miles since the kit was fitted. The case has been fully documented from A-Z, to include third party verifiers on site.

When there are knockoffs, of knockoffs being produced, its a little tough to tell which component is which. Thats why I've bought or observed one of all of them, just to compare- here's the one that Porsche Land sent me a while back. It comes in a plain white wrapper, no packing material, no illustrated parts break downs, and no instructions at all.

No extraction tools are supplied, or recommended. I guess they use ours; like everyone else.



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Some of us think that it is; and treat it like it has wings rather than wheels.
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Mr. Raby,

With all due respect to what you do, you can keep pushing your theory to everybody out there who believes in you like in God. People pay you $700 for a bearing that costs you $100 to make. We know you don't produce the actual bearings, you buy them, you just produce the rest. Everyone can go to any CNC shop, and get all the remaining parts made for about $60. You buy your bearings, and simply engrave your name on it, or you might have the factory engrave your name on it.
These bearings are the same exact quality as ours, or any other good quality material bearing available out there.
Anyone can buy these bearings themselves if they search for it!
Same thing goes for you rebuilding engines. We are 100% sure, you're doing it perfect, just like we do. It does take vast knowledge, and precision. There are many so called "mechanics" in US, who don't know what the hell they're doing. But there are also many intelligent mechanics in Europe who think logically, and are able to put a Porsche engine together without any problems. We know many Porsche shops from Europe, and many of them come from small European countries. Whereas, in US we can only count a few good Porsche specialists who know what they're doing.
Me and my European friends are amazed by how much you charge for your engines, and that you're basically a guru to Americans. Your prices are comparable to spaceship costs, most of these cars are not even worth $20k. Some might be more expensive, like 997 Carrera S...
Real price to rebuild an engine like that is between $10-12k. That covers the parts, labor and warranty.
We really don't understand people who spend so much money on your engines, you're charging your customers double what we charge. That means our customers can have 2 engines for the price of one of your engines, with warranty, and much less time.
We also sell already rebuilt motors for $10-12k, and currently have 10 in stock available for purchase. Next 10 is waiting to be rebuilt. Soon, we will lower our prices, as we will have freshly rebuilt engines from Europe. Our lower cost=savings for our customers. Great quality work from Europe will be guaranteed.
We suggest you should stop bullying your competition on the forums, you're not the only good Porsche mechanic in US. We have better things to do with our time than to reply to your "comments" online. You have your business, and we have ours. There are other good shops out there too, like in Florida, they do not treat engine rebuilding like rocket science either...Their prices are comparable to ours. They also sell the IMS, like we do.
Eurosport in Chicago also rebuilds engines, they do a great job, they charge a bit more than us, but their prices are still comparable. They don't treat it as spaceships either.
Hopefully people will understand that Porsche engine rebuilding is not only reserved for Jake Raby, there are other options out there, and people should know about it.

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Mr. Raby,

With all due respect to what you do, you can keep pushing your theory to everybody out there who believes in you like in God. People pay you $700 for a bearing that costs you $100 to make. We know you don't produce the actual bearings, you buy them, you just produce the rest. Everyone can go to any CNC shop, and get all the remaining parts made for about $60. You buy your bearings, and simply engrave your name on it, or you might have the factory engrave your name on it.
These bearings are the same exact quality as ours, or any other good quality material bearing available out there.
Anyone can buy these bearings themselves if they search for it!
Same thing goes for you rebuilding engines. We are 100% sure, you're doing it perfect, just like we do. It does take vast knowledge, and precision. There are many so called "mechanics" in US, who don't know what the hell they're doing. But there are also many intelligent mechanics in Europe who think logically, and are able to put a Porsche engine together without any problems. We know many Porsche shops from Europe, and many of them come from small European countries. Whereas, in US we can only count a few good Porsche specialists who know what they're doing.
Me and my European friends are amazed by how much you charge for your engines, and that you're basically a guru to Americans. Your prices are comparable to spaceship costs, most of these cars are not even worth $20k. Some might be more expensive, like 997 Carrera S...
Real price to rebuild an engine like that is between $10-12k. That covers the parts, labor and warranty.
We really don't understand people who spend so much money on your engines, you're charging your customers double what we charge. That means our customers can have 2 engines for the price of one of your engines, with warranty, and much less time.
We also sell already rebuilt motors for $10-12k, and currently have 10 in stock available for purchase. Next 10 is waiting to be rebuilt. Soon, we will lower our prices, as we will have freshly rebuilt engines from Europe. Our lower cost=savings for our customers. Great quality work from Europe will be guaranteed.
We suggest you should stop bullying your competition on the forums, you're not the only good Porsche mechanic in US. We have better things to do with our time than to reply to your "comments" online. You have your business, and we have ours. There are other good shops out there too, like in Florida, they do not treat engine rebuilding like rocket science either...Their prices are comparable to ours. They also sell the IMS, like we do.
Eurosport in Chicago also rebuilds engines, they do a great job, they charge a bit more than us, but their prices are still comparable. They don't treat it as spaceships either.
Hopefully people will understand that Porsche engine rebuilding is not only reserved for Jake Raby, there are other options out there, and people should know about it.
What a bunch of horse****************! I hope you never sell an engine to a 986 Forum Member or Rennlist Member again. You've never contributed a single iota of help or information to any single 986 Forum member, ever. All you've ever done is hawk your parts here and try to sell stuff.

Need I mention, only an idiot would ever call their business Porsche-land, then change it to Forsche-land, and then change it a 3rd time. That's reason enough not to buy from you. I'm glad Porsche corporate shut you down this summer when you started hawking your crap here on the Forum.

Still waiting for your PM. Don't know what you are so afraid of.
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What a bunch of horse****************! I hope you never sell an engine to a 986 Forum Member or Rennlist Member again. You've never contributed a single iota of help or information to any single 986 Forum member, ever. All you've ever done is hawk your parts here and try to sell stuff.

Need I mention, only an idiot would ever call their business Porsche-land, then change it to Forsche-land, and then change it a 3rd time. That's reason enough not to buy from you. I'm glad Porsche corporate shut you down this summer when you started hawking your crap here on the Forum.

Still waiting for your PM. Don't know what you are so afraid of.
Dear Flavor 987S,

One and only advise I will give YOU on this forum is to mind your own business. Ever since we started to post on this forum, we have read your less than intelligent comments. You must be a very bitter man, and have nothing else to do in your life than to sit in front of your computer, and hate us.
Even if you have something to do in your life, you can still come and visit or give us a call. You will find our contact info here, genius: CONTACT AND DIRECTIONS - ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************MB MOTORSPORTS
We have sold our engines to customers all over US, Canada, Mexico, Central America, Germany, Poland, even Australia!
Our honest work speaks for itself, so do our prices. Same thing goes for IMS bearing. We don't thrive on people's lack of knowledge...
FYI, we have received many positive responses from other forum members after last night's post.
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Dear Flavor 987S,

One and only advise I will give YOU on this forum is to mind your own business. Ever since we started to post on this forum, we have read your less than intelligent comments. You must be a very bitter man, and have nothing else to do in your life than to sit in front of your computer, and hate us.
Even if you have something to do in your life, you can still come and visit or give us a call. You will find our contact info here, genius: CONTACT AND DIRECTIONS - ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************MB MOTORSPORTS
We have sold our engines to customers all over US, Canada, Mexico, Central America, Germany, Poland, even Australia!
Our honest work speaks for itself, so do our prices. Same thing goes for IMS bearing. We don't thrive on people's lack of knowledge...
FYI, we have received many positive responses from other forum members after last night's post.
Hey, when you start making the rules around here, please let me know. Until then, STFU. Be careful who you try to f&$@ with and challenge. Because within days of your stupid June Liquidation post for selling parts, your company was shut down, your web site was shut down, your phones were shut down, and etc.

Still waiting for your PM.
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I got no horse in this race, but coincidentally did stumble across this earlier today ...

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what on earth was all that about :/

If I'd have a 0.1% authority on this forum I'd lock this thread... delete it as well perhaps?
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Why do you keep changing your company's name? This is your 3rd name in less than 5 months.
From the OP's Facebook page:

We had to change our name AGAIN due to Porsche Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act (the “ACPA”), 15 U.S.C. §1125(d).
They made us change our name, email, and website address to make sure we don't use the name Porsche or anything similar.
Our new company name is MBMotorsports.
Our new website address is mbmotorsportsrepair.com.
We apologize for your inconvenience with all the name and website changes...
Promise this is the last time we are doing this — in Schaumburg, IL.


As far as "caveat emptor", that should apply to any product or company.

Don't see what all the hate is about. The owner/operator, obviously not originally from the U.S., is just trying to make a living. And he's got satisfied customers.

Just sayin'...........

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I don't use Facebook. You owe the Forum an explanation why your company keeps changing your name, not to pass us off to Facebook explanation.

In my PM, all I asked for was your name, so when I came out to your shop, I'd have the right contact person behind the screen name Porsche-land. Nothing too difficult about that. What are you afraid of?
It's painfully obvious that you are trying to pick a fight and any professional would ignore you.

Grow up and move on fanboy. You're making yourself look like an ass.
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With all due respect to what you do, you can keep pushing your theory to everybody out there who believes in you like in God.
Maybe one day, after you've spent 22 years of your life wiring to be at the top of the food chain, you'll have earned the same respect. Never fear, some clown hiding behind a keyboard will challenge it, they always do.

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People pay you $700 for a bearing that costs you $100 to make.
Hold on just one damn minute! How dare you imply that this component costs 100.00 to make, when you have no idea what the costs are. Your assumption is based on speculation, and further is completely off base. On top of that, no one buys an IMS bearing from me! I developed the kit. I developed the tools. Further, I invented the IMS Solution. I invented the Faultless Tool. I invented the Single Row Pro kit and I have paid for all the Patents to protect these from people who will rob them, copy them and send them to China in a heart beat.

I have not sold an individual IMS Bearing since 2010! I am a developer, I am not a seller.

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We know you don't produce the actual bearings, you buy them, you just produce the rest.
Really, what are you, Wikipedia? Do you have a European Crystal Ball? What you think you know, what you'd like to know, and what you do know are all different things.

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Everyone can go to any CNC shop, and get all the remaining parts made for about $60.
Really? Maybe in China, but not in the USA, and remember, this isn't counting all the development time, and all the tooling costs, and all the time to solid model every part. Oh, wait, I forgot, copying someone else's part doesn't require most of that!! Just buy one and take them a sample, then sell it without any practical application testing. How about years of developing things when NO ONE was there to help and everyone said that the bearing was impossible to retrofit? How about the days when I literally wasted 4,400.00 in less than one minute testing a new concept?

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You buy your bearings, and simply engrave your name on it, or you might have the factory engrave your name on it.
Again, you are completely lost.

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These bearings are the same exact quality as ours, or any other good quality material bearing available out there.
Don't compliment yourself in such a manner, when you have no idea what you are stating. Please divulge your sources for this information, and substantiate it.

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Anyone can buy these bearings themselves if they search for it!
Again, impossible. All the bearings that are used in LN kits have a proprietary source. The alterations that are made to these units over a normal unit also differentiate them from the rest.

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Same thing goes for you rebuilding engines. We are 100% sure, you're doing it perfect, just like we do. It does take vast knowledge, and precision. There are many so called "mechanics" in US, who don't know what the hell they're doing. But there are also many intelligent mechanics in Europe who think logically, and are able to put a Porsche engine together without any problems.
Where the shop or technician is from doesn't have a single thing to do with it. If being European makes someone qualified to work on a European engine, that means I am qualified to work on a Chevrolet engine, as an expert, even though I haven't touched one in 20 years. Were you born in Europe to work with European engines? Hell no, not any more than I was born in the USA to work with Chevrolet engines.

I sell engines worldwide. Tomorrow, I'll have technicians at my facility from 4 different Continents who are here for my hands on M96 engine assembly school. Think building an engine is tough, try doing it live with 20 people on hand without a single note to work from, having memorized every single step.

Lets get something straight here, the IMS Retrofit was invented in the USA, by AMERICANS, and all the components are made in USA. All of this while the Europeans stood by and did nothing for a decade. When European kits were finally released they were either copies of what we'd done a decade before, OR the kits came with a copy of my instructions, using my retrofit procedure, and often with a copy of my original extraction tool. Others would just buy the extraction tool from our European distributor and include it with their kit. They may say that their bearings are made in a certain European country, but the unique thing is that country has no supplier that makes the bearings there and hasn't in 20 years!

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We know many Porsche shops from Europe, and many of them come from small European countries. Whereas, in US we can only count a few good Porsche specialists who know what they're doing.
Again, who gives a damn where someone is? Stop slamming America, if its so bad here, then why are you here? As a former US Marine I wore a uniform to protect this country, and keep it the best on planet Earth. Let me get this straight, you'll sell as many engines as possible to Americans, and take their money, but you believe that all of us are idiots? Thats nice to know, I am sure all my fellow Americans on this board will appreciate the way that you feel just as much as I do. If its so bad, why did you come here?

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Me and my European friends are amazed by how much you charge for your engines, and that you're basically a guru to Americans.
This is because you are uninformed as to what these engines require to produce, and to create. Our process has 64 different steps, and leads to ultimately 130 hours of human life being expended to get our end result. The last customer that kept a journal of what we did during the process crested an 11 page PDF of the summary.

Again, maybe one day you'll be a little higher up the food chain, and you'll have to earn it, because it won't be given. I have earned the respect that I am given- period.
You are not supposed to like me. You are not supposed to respect me, and therefore I don't give a damn what you think.

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Your prices are comparable to spaceship costs, most of these cars are not even worth $20k. Some might be more expensive, like 997 Carrera S…
Doesn't matter. I was selling 12K dollar 914 engines 15 years ago, for guys that had cars worthy 2-3K, the cost of a Porsches engine has always been equal to the car after its a few years old. If you'd been in this business, and built your first engine (for a paying customer) at age 13, you'd know this without me having to state it.

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Real price to rebuild an engine like that is between $10-12k. That covers the parts, labor and warranty.
That shows how little you believe needs to be addressed with these engines. EVERY engine that we build will see 5K worth of cylinders alone, and 10-12K won't even buy the parts. Most repairs at our level cost 10-12K to carry out correctly.

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We really don't understand people who spend so much money on your engines, you're charging your customers double what we charge.
By the same token I can't see how the job can be done so cheaply.

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That means our customers can have 2 engines for the price of one of your engines, with warranty, and much less time.
Perhaps they could, so what this proves is my purchasers seek out the thoroughbred, they spend more to attain it, and they wait longer to get it. They enjoy every minute of working with us, too.


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We also sell already rebuilt motors for $10-12k, and currently have 10 in stock available for purchase. Next 10 is waiting to be rebuilt. Soon, we will lower our prices, as we will have freshly rebuilt engines from Europe. Our lower cost=savings for our customers. Great quality work from Europe will be guaranteed.
Good, more power to you. I haven't been able to put an engine on "the shelf" since 1999, and today I'd never even try to.

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We suggest you should stop bullying your competition on the forums, you're not the only good Porsche mechanic in US. We have better things to do with our time than to reply to your "comments" online.
If you don't have the time to post online, then why did you start this advertisement thread? As far as bullying goes, well I didn't reply until someone requested my presence in this thread. I cleared the air about my involvement with development of a certain component. How is that "bullying"?

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You have your business, and we have ours.
And based on all your comments, you have been too worried about my business and wondering how I have accomplished what I have. If what we do was so off base, you'd be less interested and you'd care nothing about what the other guy does as long as he doesn't copy your parts.

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There are other good shops out there too, like in Florida, they do not treat engine rebuilding like rocket science either...Their prices are comparable to ours. They also sell the IMS, like we do.
One never gets where they want to be, by remaining where they are. Engine building IS rocket science at our level, because WE are developing the products that the entire industry will use. We just happen to save some of those for our engine purchasers.

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Eurosport in Chicago also rebuilds engines, they do a great job, they charge a bit more than us, but their prices are still comparable.
Ok, more power to them, too. Together you guys keep the bottom feeders from tying up our phone lines.

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They don't treat it as spaceships either.
Most don't, and couldn't, even if they wanted to.

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Hopefully people will understand that Porsche engine rebuilding is not only reserved for Jake Raby, there are other options out there, and people should know about it.
My program was the very first engine program for the M96 engine. It started years before anyone dreamed of "rebuilding" these engines. Today the same goes for the 9a1 engine, that we have already been working with since 2010. We take pride in being the first at everything we do, and thats why Panamera engines are in development, and even the Macan will soon be apart in my research facility. They'll join the newest GT3 engine, as well.

"If you do what you believe is right, rather than what is expected, there will be those who appreciate what you create and want to share it with you"
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Lots of people appreciate our approach enough to wait a year or more for an engine, and "share it" with us. They like the fact that we treat engines like they will be powering space ships, and they like the fact that we address all known engine deficiencies. They appreciate the fact that we will only do the job 100%, else we won't do it at all.

Some people are leaders, most people are followers. The rest are just lost.

The word to the wise would be for you to do what you do, and I'l do what I do. We don't operate in the same galaxy, and we share no purchasers, and if I referred you to my "competitor" we'd both be wrong.

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