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Please visit our website to see our list of available rebuilt motors:
Currently for sale - ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************MB MOTORSPORTS

Why do you keep changing your company's name? This is your 3rd name in less than 5 months. Why didn't you ever respond to my PM's from this summer?

Beware of their "roll bearing" IMSB-from Germany. There is no such thing as a roll bearing.Roller bearing?
Read all you can about the dismal experience of using roller bearings for the IMS. The key word is 'thrust' .
Strangely this Chicago area company advertises their gearbox in Craig's List as far away as Los Angeles- in the 'for sale by owner' section -not in the dealer section.
Caveat Emptor.

The product is actually Swiss, and is called the EPS Eternal Fix:

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Unless I'm mistaken, Jake looked at this design and fount it had too many drawbacks.

Our customers are pretty happy with our rebuilt engines, no complaints whatsoever regarding our IMS bearings. We have tested them ourselves, and know that they're superior quality bearings.
Our partner shops in Europe have been using them for much longer than we have, and they never had a problem.
Our IMS is much cheaper than other well known bearings, if anybody wants to buy the more expensive bearing it's their choice.
There are other options out there, same as with buying rebuilt engines. It's not rocket science, or flight to the moon, many Porsche owners appreciate the alternative we offer.

As to: "Jake looked at this design and fount it had too many drawbacks"- that's probably because his company didn't produce it.

Re Flavor 987S question: Look at our face book page, there's an explanation why we have changed our name. We will not respond to your pm's, because we don't want to lower ourselves to your level.

I don't use Facebook. You owe the Forum an explanation why your company keeps changing your name, not to pass us off to Facebook explanation.

In my PM, all I asked for was your name, so when I came out to your shop, I'd have the right contact person behind the screen name Porsche-land. Nothing too difficult about that. What are you afraid of?

Trust this isn't the case.

It may be the simplest explanation for the opposition, but its not the case.

There are THREE different roller bearing kits that have been developed. EPS is ONE of those three. These are roller bearing kits, not including other forms of retrofit.

The original roller bearing kit was developed in the Pacific Northwest by one single individual.

I have a vehicle here now with a roller bearing kit installed, it has 900 miles since the kit was fitted. The case has been fully documented from A-Z, to include third party verifiers on site.

When there are knockoffs, of knockoffs being produced, its a little tough to tell which component is which. Thats why I've bought or observed one of all of them, just to compare- here's the one that Porsche Land sent me a while back. It comes in a plain white wrapper, no packing material, no illustrated parts break downs, and no instructions at all.

No extraction tools are supplied, or recommended. I guess they use ours; like everyone else.

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Some of us think that it is; and treat it like it has wings rather than wheels.

Mr. Raby,

With all due respect to what you do, you can keep pushing your theory to everybody out there who believes in you like in God. People pay you $700 for a bearing that costs you $100 to make. We know you don't produce the actual bearings, you buy them, you just produce the rest. Everyone can go to any CNC shop, and get all the remaining parts made for about $60. You buy your bearings, and simply engrave your name on it, or you might have the factory engrave your name on it.
These bearings are the same exact quality as ours, or any other good quality material bearing available out there.
Anyone can buy these bearings themselves if they search for it!
Same thing goes for you rebuilding engines. We are 100% sure, you're doing it perfect, just like we do. It does take vast knowledge, and precision. There are many so called "mechanics" in US, who don't know what the hell they're doing. But there are also many intelligent mechanics in Europe who think logically, and are able to put a Porsche engine together without any problems. We know many Porsche shops from Europe, and many of them come from small European countries. Whereas, in US we can only count a few good Porsche specialists who know what they're doing.
Me and my European friends are amazed by how much you charge for your engines, and that you're basically a guru to Americans. Your prices are comparable to spaceship costs, most of these cars are not even worth $20k. Some might be more expensive, like 997 Carrera S...
Real price to rebuild an engine like that is between $10-12k. That covers the parts, labor and warranty.
We really don't understand people who spend so much money on your engines, you're charging your customers double what we charge. That means our customers can have 2 engines for the price of one of your engines, with warranty, and much less time.
We also sell already rebuilt motors for $10-12k, and currently have 10 in stock available for purchase. Next 10 is waiting to be rebuilt. Soon, we will lower our prices, as we will have freshly rebuilt engines from Europe. Our lower cost=savings for our customers. Great quality work from Europe will be guaranteed.
We suggest you should stop bullying your competition on the forums, you're not the only good Porsche mechanic in US. We have better things to do with our time than to reply to your "comments" online. You have your business, and we have ours. There are other good shops out there too, like in Florida, they do not treat engine rebuilding like rocket science either...Their prices are comparable to ours. They also sell the IMS, like we do.
Eurosport in Chicago also rebuilds engines, they do a great job, they charge a bit more than us, but their prices are still comparable. They don't treat it as spaceships either.
Hopefully people will understand that Porsche engine rebuilding is not only reserved for Jake Raby, there are other options out there, and people should know about it.

What a bunch of horse****************! I hope you never sell an engine to a 986 Forum Member or Rennlist Member again. You've never contributed a single iota of help or information to any single 986 Forum member, ever. All you've ever done is hawk your parts here and try to sell stuff.

Need I mention, only an idiot would ever call their business Porsche-land, then change it to Forsche-land, and then change it a 3rd time. That's reason enough not to buy from you. I'm glad Porsche corporate shut you down this summer when you started hawking your crap here on the Forum.

Still waiting for your PM. Don't know what you are so afraid of.

At least it's not about the animal we can't mention its name.........

Dear Flavor 987S,

One and only advise I will give YOU on this forum is to mind your own business. Ever since we started to post on this forum, we have read your less than intelligent comments. You must be a very bitter man, and have nothing else to do in your life than to sit in front of your computer, and hate us.
Even if you have something to do in your life, you can still come and visit or give us a call. You will find our contact info here, genius: CONTACT AND DIRECTIONS - ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************ ************MB MOTORSPORTS
We have sold our engines to customers all over US, Canada, Mexico, Central America, Germany, Poland, even Australia!
Our honest work speaks for itself, so do our prices. Same thing goes for IMS bearing. We don't thrive on people's lack of knowledge...
FYI, we have received many positive responses from other forum members after last night's post.

Hey, when you start making the rules around here, please let me know. Until then, STFU. Be careful who you try to f&$@ with and challenge. Because within days of your stupid June Liquidation post for selling parts, your company was shut down, your web site was shut down, your phones were shut down, and etc.

Still waiting for your PM.

Get a room you two. Hug it out.

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guys

CHILL OUT!!!!

I got no horse in this race, but coincidentally did stumble across this earlier today ...

http://rennlist.com/forums/rennlist-canada/838698-engine-rebuild-recommendation.html

Porsche engines for sale
 

*accidental post*

what on earth was all that about :/

If I'd have a 0.1% authority on this forum I'd lock this thread... delete it as well perhaps?

From the OP's Facebook page:

We had to change our name AGAIN due to Porsche Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act (the “ACPA”), 15 U.S.C. §1125(d).
They made us change our name, email, and website address to make sure we don't use the name Porsche or anything similar.
Our new company name is MBMotorsports.
Our new website address is mbmotorsportsrepair.com.
We apologize for your inconvenience with all the name and website changes...
Promise this is the last time we are doing this — in Schaumburg, IL.

As far as "caveat emptor", that should apply to any product or company.

Don't see what all the hate is about. The owner/operator, obviously not originally from the U.S., is just trying to make a living. And he's got satisfied customers.

Just sayin'...........

TO

It's painfully obvious that you are trying to pick a fight and any professional would ignore you.

Grow up and move on fanboy. You're making yourself look like an ass. ;)

Maybe one day, after you've spent 22 years of your life wiring to be at the top of the food chain, you'll have earned the same respect. Never fear, some clown hiding behind a keyboard will challenge it, they always do.

Hold on just one damn minute! How dare you imply that this component costs 100.00 to make, when you have no idea what the costs are. Your assumption is based on speculation, and further is completely off base. On top of that, no one buys an IMS bearing from me! I developed the kit. I developed the tools. Further, I invented the IMS Solution. I invented the Faultless Tool. I invented the Single Row Pro kit and I have paid for all the Patents to protect these from people who will rob them, copy them and send them to China in a heart beat.

I have not sold an individual IMS Bearing since 2010! I am a developer, I am not a seller.

Really, what are you, Wikipedia? Do you have a European Crystal Ball? What you think you know, what you'd like to know, and what you do know are all different things.

Really? Maybe in China, but not in the USA, and remember, this isn't counting all the development time, and all the tooling costs, and all the time to solid model every part. Oh, wait, I forgot, copying someone else's part doesn't require most of that!! Just buy one and take them a sample, then sell it without any practical application testing. How about years of developing things when NO ONE was there to help and everyone said that the bearing was impossible to retrofit? How about the days when I literally wasted 4,400.00 in less than one minute testing a new concept?

Again, you are completely lost.

Don't compliment yourself in such a manner, when you have no idea what you are stating. Please divulge your sources for this information, and substantiate it.

Again, impossible. All the bearings that are used in LN kits have a proprietary source. The alterations that are made to these units over a normal unit also differentiate them from the rest.

Where the shop or technician is from doesn't have a single thing to do with it. If being European makes someone qualified to work on a European engine, that means I am qualified to work on a Chevrolet engine, as an expert, even though I haven't touched one in 20 years. Were you born in Europe to work with European engines? Hell no, not any more than I was born in the USA to work with Chevrolet engines.

I sell engines worldwide. Tomorrow, I'll have technicians at my facility from 4 different Continents who are here for my hands on M96 engine assembly school. Think building an engine is tough, try doing it live with 20 people on hand without a single note to work from, having memorized every single step.

Lets get something straight here, the IMS Retrofit was invented in the USA, by AMERICANS, and all the components are made in USA. All of this while the Europeans stood by and did nothing for a decade. When European kits were finally released they were either copies of what we'd done a decade before, OR the kits came with a copy of my instructions, using my retrofit procedure, and often with a copy of my original extraction tool. Others would just buy the extraction tool from our European distributor and include it with their kit. They may say that their bearings are made in a certain European country, but the unique thing is that country has no supplier that makes the bearings there and hasn't in 20 years!

Again, who gives a damn where someone is? Stop slamming America, if its so bad here, then why are you here? As a former US Marine I wore a uniform to protect this country, and keep it the best on planet Earth. Let me get this straight, you'll sell as many engines as possible to Americans, and take their money, but you believe that all of us are idiots? Thats nice to know, I am sure all my fellow Americans on this board will appreciate the way that you feel just as much as I do. If its so bad, why did you come here?

This is because you are uninformed as to what these engines require to produce, and to create. Our process has 64 different steps, and leads to ultimately 130 hours of human life being expended to get our end result. The last customer that kept a journal of what we did during the process crested an 11 page PDF of the summary.

Again, maybe one day you'll be a little higher up the food chain, and you'll have to earn it, because it won't be given. I have earned the respect that I am given- period.
You are not supposed to like me. You are not supposed to respect me, and therefore I don't give a damn what you think.

Doesn't matter. I was selling 12K dollar 914 engines 15 years ago, for guys that had cars worthy 2-3K, the cost of a Porsches engine has always been equal to the car after its a few years old. If you'd been in this business, and built your first engine (for a paying customer) at age 13, you'd know this without me having to state it.

That shows how little you believe needs to be addressed with these engines. EVERY engine that we build will see 5K worth of cylinders alone, and 10-12K won't even buy the parts. Most repairs at our level cost 10-12K to carry out correctly.

By the same token I can't see how the job can be done so cheaply.

Perhaps they could, so what this proves is my purchasers seek out the thoroughbred, they spend more to attain it, and they wait longer to get it. They enjoy every minute of working with us, too.


Good, more power to you. I haven't been able to put an engine on "the shelf" since 1999, and today I'd never even try to.

If you don't have the time to post online, then why did you start this advertisement thread? As far as bullying goes, well I didn't reply until someone requested my presence in this thread. I cleared the air about my involvement with development of a certain component. How is that "bullying"?

And based on all your comments, you have been too worried about my business and wondering how I have accomplished what I have. If what we do was so off base, you'd be less interested and you'd care nothing about what the other guy does as long as he doesn't copy your parts.

One never gets where they want to be, by remaining where they are. Engine building IS rocket science at our level, because WE are developing the products that the entire industry will use. We just happen to save some of those for our engine purchasers.

Ok, more power to them, too. Together you guys keep the bottom feeders from tying up our phone lines.

Most don't, and couldn't, even if they wanted to.

My program was the very first engine program for the M96 engine. It started years before anyone dreamed of "rebuilding" these engines. Today the same goes for the 9a1 engine, that we have already been working with since 2010. We take pride in being the first at everything we do, and thats why Panamera engines are in development, and even the Macan will soon be apart in my research facility. They'll join the newest GT3 engine, as well.

"If you do what you believe is right, rather than what is expected, there will be those who appreciate what you create and want to share it with you"
Dr. Porsche

Lots of people appreciate our approach enough to wait a year or more for an engine, and "share it" with us. They like the fact that we treat engines like they will be powering space ships, and they like the fact that we address all known engine deficiencies. They appreciate the fact that we will only do the job 100%, else we won't do it at all.

Some people are leaders, most people are followers. The rest are just lost.

The word to the wise would be for you to do what you do, and I'l do what I do. We don't operate in the same galaxy, and we share no purchasers, and if I referred you to my "competitor" we'd both be wrong.

Why don't you answer Flavor987's questions?

Someone got their Smart Car tipped....

My cat tipped my smart car because he's a jerk. :mad:

I don't have a dog in this fight and I am not picking sides on this but Jake you seem to always get into pissing matches with everyone on here that has a different spin on products for our cars. Yes you and LN came up with the tools and the kit to extract and replace the IMS and from what I can tell a lot of people have chosen to buy engines from you. However, you come on here time and time again picking fights with other shops and companies that have a different take or a different product to offer. If this guys product is good then he will earn respect and a following. If his product and service is not good then his business will fail. As a consumer, I always let the product speak for itself and do my research. I have an LN bearing in my car and I also added the TuneRS Direct Oil Feed kit. I did my research and got the products that made sense to me at the time but getting into an internet tough guy match just makes you look really bad man.

Does it matter that you were a Marine in this discussion. No and the mention of it looks like a weak marketing tactic. The majority of people are coming around that the military have just been advancing the corporate multinational agenda and certainly not protecting our freedoms. Additionally, from what I see your new IMS solutions looks like a different variation that essentially copies the oil feed concept that TuneRS developed and use in their race cars. I remember reading the comments you wrote on here that essentially killed the discussion and confused quite a few members that were considering the TuneRS product. The best way to see what really works best is maybe for you both to put your cars on the street as well as the track in competition and let's see how your engines and upgrades perform under duress. If the roller bearing is a better product so be it. If the new LN IMS solution is better so be it. So far the only company that has put their product to the test is TuneRS with their Direct Oil Feed kit.

As a Boxster owner I a more interested in ideas that will make my car run better and last longer at the most reasonable price. Yes Jake I guess you would classify me as one of those "bottom feeders" that you were referring to in your last rant. I had my engine rebuilt at a local shop in Florida for a lot less than one of your rebuilds and my car runs way better than the day I got it.

Haven't heard a bad thing about MB motorsports, nor have I heard anything bad about Jake....until you put them both in a room together! :)
Guys, you both have your own place in the chain and both have successful businesses from what I can glean. Good luck to you both.

:barf:

Um... right. I fought hard for that Somali and Kosovar oil, and all the time I spent in the Fulda gap back in the 80s was to prevent those eastern European corporations from flooding our markets with cheap communist products.

Where's some good thread-locker when you need it.


Cat, Cat, CAT!

A bit off topic, but from my experience, ALL CAR SHOPS on Morse Avenue (and nearby)in Schaumburg are TOP guys. (: From Strictly Modified(personal friends), Legend Racing(my nitrous guys), Factory 5/ProFunction(my Integra type R), and A-spec(dyno tuning). Have dealt with every single one of them and got to know them very well and would gladly recommend them to anyone!

As a new Chicagoland Porsche owner, I'll definitely stop by MB Motor. next time I'm in the area. The best of luck to you guys...

This thread has outlived its usefulness, and ought to be deleted. It doesn't serve anyone well.

"Bottom feeders", Mr. Raby? Yikes. :eek:

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The majority of people are coming around that the military have just been advancing the corporate multinational agenda and certainly not protecting our freedoms[/QUOTE]

The majority? Cite the case. Where's your facts to back this up? And just what is this corporate multinational agenda you speak of?

Are you one of those that thinks America only went to war because of the oil? God, I hope not, cause that means us Canadians are next! (We are America's biggest oil supplier, outside of America's own supply).

everyone...

please

CHILL OUT!!!!!
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[QUOTE=Jake Raby;427021]

Wow, that's a long letter you have posted here...

First of all, we do not think Americans are stupid, that was your conclusion. We stated that you are using people's lack of knowledge to sell products that are not worth as much. That means that whoever produces these bearings, thinks people are stupid, making a big deal out of a simple bearing. If the person succeeds with it, great, sell it for even more money. But when you see competitors bearing being sold for half the cost, don't bug in and try to give your opinion. We do not make a big deal out of simple things, and let us remind you that you have started this IMS conversation. We have posted our engines for sale in this tread, and this is where it took off, thanks to your good friend Flavor 987S...
As our response, we have one of LN bearings, and within a week we will prove the whole process of where it came from, production of the bearing, and the cost, which will not exceed $100 for the actual bearing.
Flavor 987S, why don't you come over for a cup of coffee, we can discuss these things in person.
WE DO NOT GIVE A S... WHAT ANYONE DOES AS LONG AS THEY DON'T BUG IN INTO OUR BUSINESS.
We also think that you have your own customers, and we have ours. Even if you have a customer that's willing to pay you a million bucks, that's great for you. Just don't make rebuilding engines a big deal, when it isn't.
(Attn. Flavor 987S!)I, Martin Biernacki from Poland, do not use any notes when I'm assembling my engines. Even 40 people could watch me, it would still be the same.
If you think you're dealing with some rookie who came up with fixing Porsches in a hurry, you're wrong. You have suggested that at 13 you have assembled your first Porsche engine. I seriously doubt that, you might have went overboard with that sentence. Do you thing anyone is going to believe that?
I'm 39 years old, and it so happens that I have been in the automotive industry since I was born. My father used to have an automotive shop before I even existed, and used to be a well known rally car racer in Poland. Believe it or not, 39 years ago, people used to race Porsches in Europe. Google Sobieslaw Zasada if you don't believe me, they were friends with my father. I grew up in this business, and realistically speaking, at age 12 I did not assemble Porsche engines. I have started assembling motorcycle engines then, which I began to race later. In 2006 I was #2 in Polish Superbike, on one of my self built engines.
I did not serve in the army like you did, but since I was 12yo, for 27 years now, I have been in this industry. At age 18, I took over my fathers' shop, I used to build BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, and Porsche engines. Today, I only work with Porsche engines because I choose to.
Maybe now you will understand that you making a big deal out of your IMS retrofit design is not such a big deal to me. It's kind of amusing, because technicians in Europe used to do this long time before you have! They used to remove the bearing, went to the store that sells bearings, found the one they needed, and made the so called "retro fit" at the nearest machine shop. Every mechanic used to do this individually, they designed it on their own. Nobody had to patent anything, because it was such an easy thing to do, it didn't even occur to them to patent something anybody can do. You're just lucky that in US nobody has time to search for bearings, or visit machine shops. Since you were the only one, that's more power to you, but you have to understand that in Europe it has been developed by individual shops long time before you did...
Now, when we offer an alternative, you are adding your negative comments. We did not ask you for a review. If you don't think our roll bearing is good quality, we can start producing the same bearings as LN does (from Japan #5204RS), but with our retrofit patent. Since the bearing itself is the most important, what will you have to say about that? Will you also be reviewing it negatively as the other one? We would sell if for $400, which is a fair price.
Believe us, it's not a problem to rebuild an engine, resleeve the blocks, or produce an IMS bearing.
You or me wouldn't have any business in Europe, because they can repair Porsches at pretty much every shop. It's not a big deal there, every smart technician can fix it. That was an answer to your question about why I came here. I highly doubt you have any students from Europe taking your school?
Cost of your resleeving is so high because there are almost no shops in US that know how to do it. LN uses one shop they have used for years, and unfortunately customers have to pay a lot of $ for it, that's why it's so expensive to do it in US. Resleeving is always our last resort. You take pride in it, charging 5k. It's not the best solution, since the steel (non-original) cylinders are not what the factory had in mind. If they were designed as aluminum, they should remain that way if possible. If you take pride in the parts you install new, why don't you buy new engine blocks for your rebuilds? Even a good used block is 100 times better than the resleeved one, doesn't matter who resleeves it.
Regarding the customers that come to our shop, Eurosport, Vertex Auto, Fisher, or similar ones, which you have called "the bottom feeders... tying up our phone lines", these are intelligent people who made informed decisions based on the time frame and cost of the repair. They're real people who know how much their cars, engines, and labor are worth. Many of our clients have laughed really loud when they talked about your charges.
The bottom line is that we are not sticking our nose in your business, and would really appreciate if you did the same. Please do not comment on our IMS, or about our work, because we don't comment on what you do. You have started this conversation, trying to outsmart us.
Rebuilding engines or designing IMS retrofit is not very complicated, and you have certainly not been the first one who developed either one!
Maybe you should travel more around the world, you can learn things that way...
Stop acting like a guru, not everyone wants to hear what you have to say.

Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Cars final value with super special Raby motor = still $10k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.
I don't care what magical fairy spells he knows; only an idiot would invest that much money in a $10k car.

Someone needs to tell that guy that these aren't $50k cars anymore. Apparently, he didn't get the memo. :rolleyes:

We did not want to say it out loud, thanks for doing it for us :)
We have worked on 100's of customer's cars that have been driving them ever since, or have sold them, and bought a better model. Older Porsches with engine issues depreciate in value, especially when 2008 models and up have better engines, where factory has eliminated 60% of their faults. That car might cost more, but it will be cheaper to repair if anything happens.
Mr. Raby says he works on newer DFE engines, where pretty soon he will be surprised, because we will have these brand new engines from Europe for the price of his rebuild. Which one would you choose?
Stay tuned for our IMS investigation :)

If I further respond it'll only detract from the thread further.

Enough has been said. We both have our places in the industry.

As far as the comment about using uneducated folks for a customer base, who do you think spends time writing articles, and instructing classes to educate people about these engines. The same person that's writing the book on them as we speak.

You are still bragging about yourself, it's getting old, and we're bored. We're having a hard time deciding whether to laugh or cry about it.
Because of your IMS review, we will not let this one go...Don't forget to mention us in your book :)

Ok, if you must... That's fine.

Okay, everyone here is being very unprofessional, not only the shop owners but forum members too.

Mr. Raby does have a habit of over dramatizing things about these cars, but there is evidence behind all of the modes of failure. He is skilled and gets good reviews often, not to mention those of us here at the forum really appreciate how often he posts and interacts. Rather than saying he can not "drop to our level" to pm us.

Now both products are likely of good quality based on the reviews of others. But the products aside it looks bad on all parties involved when you belittle each other infront of your small niche target market. Essentially creating a PR nightmare for the lot of those involved.

Charges and prices aside, raby built cars are essentially american RUFs at this point with the respect that he has for his knowledge and the figures these rebuilt engines can produce. Is it a smart investment though, that's up to you, I know I would never buy a 70k ruf 3400 s when I could do a swap in a roller for much less. However some people are interested in these rebuilds so let them be.

Essentially all involved at this point are only digging graves for themselves.

no, I want the last word

WORD

and BigJake, your grammer is better :D

Wow, I just looked up that bearing. I wish I would have known I could have purchased one from amazon for $5.91. The $5.99 shipping charge is a little steep though. :)

[QUOTE=tonichristi;427066]Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.

This is pointed out during the consultation Jake gives before starting the job.