"Bird" is the word ;)
You obviously hadn't heard :rolleyes:

New page...ahhhhhhhh :)

[QUOTE=BYprodriver;427076] Again, it's not a rebuild. For a rebuild call the original poster of this thread.

Yes, the only time my engine makes sense is if the car will be kept for many years, or forever. As byprodriver states, that's the first thing I will point out in a consultation.

Big Jake, I have a 3400S Rufster here now, it's getting a Raby 4.0 if I can't save the engine that's in it now.

Here's one more sentence that needs clarification:
You are confused. Very confused. The IMS Solution has zero in common with the DOF. One is an uncontrolled oil spray onto a ball bearing, the other pressure feeds a plain, journal bearing which radially and longitudinally supports the whole of the IMS assembly with a hydrodynamic film of oil. Both may use engine oil, however the way this oil is delivered and how it is used are radically different. One omits the ball bearing completely, while the other simply sprays oil onto a factory style bearing.

See now...... there's room for both Jake and Martin (and others) in the Porsche world.

Jake can provide for customers who insist on only the best, with cost being no logical object, and Martin provides a lower cost, and still viable, alternative to those who want keep their crippled rides on the road.

The passion displayed by both of them is admirable.

You know what's coming next:

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Just sayin'....................;)

TO

With all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. Yes, our bearing races and cages are made by IJK out of Japan. The balls themselves are made by SKF for our bearing supplier who custom assembles these bearings for us and only for us. They are not cheap but I'm not going to discuss specific bearing cost with you, and no, you can't buy these specific bearings from anywhere else.

Furthermore, the issue of price has been hashed out years earlier on several forums- there is more than just material cost that goes into a product. You have many pricing levels for resellers from the wholesaler to the shop to the end user, and you have to provide margins for everyone along the way. If we didn't have a worldwide distribution network and sold direct, we could sell the kit for less than what you charge for yours.

Now, since we are talking about bearings, let's talk about your bearings - you supply a Romanian URB bearing, part number NUP 204E:

Cylindrical roller bearings KFB/URB NUP 204 E (new machine offer).

Even though you took some effort to remove the part number off the bearing, it was still visible. I asked our bearing engineer about this bearing and their consensus is that "URB is sort of the “Harbor Freight” of roller bearings." You advertise this kit as made in Germany on eBay, but the bearing is not German at all.

You could easily find the same size and type of bearing made by FAG or SKF, but of German origin in the $30-40 range. The rest of your kit consists of a cheap bolt, a few nuts, and spacer. There really is no reason why your kit should be any more expensive than the Pelican Parts kit which is also designed to use the original flange. Your kit also comes with no instructions whatsoever. Wayne wrote a book and has a whole section in there and on the Pelican website about installing their bearing kit. And we have the Bentley Publisher's video that Tony Callas helped make along with very detailed instructions (albeit without any pictures).

And speaking of roller bearings, the other commercially available roller bearing kit offered also uses a URB bearing (and they also claim made in the USA), but their bearing is much larger, so comparing apples to apples, their bearing has more load capacity. Also, their kit has seen several revisions, adding provisions for extra oil to the bearing, which yours does not, since their kit comes with a new flange.

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Forsche-Land's bearing kit is shown left - the EPS kit is shown right.

Furthermore our European agents, even one from Germany, has never seen or heard anything about your roller bearing kit. So again, like many before you, you can say there are thousands of these in service and that everyone uses them, but where is the proof?

finally some logic in this tread:cheers:

If you'd read the description in our Ebay listing it says:
"This set is produced in Germany, most of independent Porsche repair shops use this exact set to update IMS in Europe."
We get the whole set from our partner shop in Germany. Nowhere it states that this bearing is made in Germany. It says the whole set is made in Germany. Same as your set is made in US, it doesn't say anywhere that you use a Japanese bearing. You, or we might as well use German, Polish, Romanian or any other bearing produced out there. Porsche factory does the same.
In the end, it doesn't matter where the bearing is produced, it's the quality that matters. The globalization has it's rights, companies search for cheaper labor costs around the world, but still keep the same quality of materials.
Even factory Porsche parts are produced all around the world, Ukraine, Poland, Chech Republic, Portugal, and Italy.
The IMS kits we sell have been tested in Europe for many years, and the retrofit concept has been been around for many years before your patent.
You're stating that IMS kit we sell is not good, let us repeat again, our partners in Europe have been using it for MANY YEARS, and never has a problem with them.
The truth is, that your bearings, and our bearings are very similar to the Porsche quality from factory.
How do you explain the fact that many IMS bearings have been used for many miles, and are still good. Whereas, some give up after as little as 15k miles? It depends on the series of bearings which the factory was using at the time. Porsche used bearings from Japan, Poland, and Germany at the time, doesn't matter which one it was, some gave up after low mileage, and some worked for years without any problems.
Therefore, your or our factory made bearings are not better or worse than the original ones used by Porsche. The only difference is that you cannot purchase a Porsche bearing by itself, you have to buy the whole shaft set for $1800 plus tax.
The only problem with Porsche bearings is that the load capacity is too low, and RPM's are too high. In the long run (ie:200k miles), same thing will happen with your or our bearings.
That's why Porsche wouldn't take the risk anymore, and changed it to the bigger shaft.
You business is based on the fact that dealer doesn't sell new bearings by itself, you ave found the niche in the market, and have taken advantage of it.
You overdid it with charging your customers too much for a product that is not worth as much. People didn't have the choice before, now they do.
Now, you and Mr. Raby cannot stand the fact that someone else sells IMS bearings. You research every competitor out there to prove your bearing is the only good one. We sell the bearings, and also rebuild Porsche engines. We use our bearings, and put our name on it. We wouldn't do so if we had any doubts, we're not suicidal.
Maybe you have some tests run by an independent research facility that would conclude your statements? If you do, please forward these to the forum, pretty sure everyone would love to see that.
If you don't , please let us know and we will be able to get it done for you.
As to having your bearings custom assembled, do you really think that nobody else can find a company that will produce and assemble these as well? We are working on it to prove you within a week that it's possible. Even though it sounds like a bunch of lies.
If you claim that you have another supplier producing your balls for the bearings, please provide the proof of that, we don't believe you on this one. Please send a video on YouTube of that process, and then we will believe in your claims.
Since you have been open about your production process, please see it through, and we will take our hats off to your invention if you can prove it.

Cat Fight!!!!

:matchup:

When we really want your oil, we will just take it. Thanks. Besides, we've been drilling under Niagra Falls for years, and you never noticed. Sip by sip, baby.

Wait a second here, did Jake Raby just call people who don't use his service "bottom feeders"? Sorry there Obama, not all of us drink your Kool-aid. But thank you for making my decision so much easier.

Umm, it's spelled grammar, genious.

As a self-employed person, I let accounts go before I get into this type of pissing match. I do defend my name and reputation, but I don't attack the other guy. I just point out flaws as I see them. I don't compete with a shop in a state here and there, I compete with dozens and dozens of HVACR companies in every city. Must be over a hundred times more competition.

To OP, isn't your screen name here still using the word Porsche? Seems last page you said they ordered you to stop using their name? Just curious.

To say 'bottom feeders' seems low, but to a company like me, I see them all the time and understand the comment. Some people just want to be back on the road tomorrow or get heat on and hope it stays on and not examine anything else. That's great, and there are many techs who will oblige them in both scenarios. Some want the best possible repair and want to check or improve what can be made better to have the whole package and pice of mind. I, like Mr. Raby, take pride in being the more thorough and 'package' choice. If you just want your igniter (or valve spring) swapped and not your combustion (or oil) checked, call someone else. There are many making a great living doing the bare minimum, and the public should weigh the two options and make an educated choice.

No, other shops. If you were self-employed and competed against a similar company, you would see the reference. I personally get tired of people calling who have run their systems into the ground only to find 4 stickers from previous 'bottom feeders' who just swapped the single component that failed without checking any other component or fixing the problem that lead the component to fail 4 previous times. Swap and run = bottom feeder.

Have you done your homework. Obviously not. There have been dozens if not more discussions on our bearings (and others) on this forum (and others again) and we've provided full disclosure as to the origins of our bearings as being custom made for us by a ceramic bearing specialist out of California. Furthermore, we state right on our website that we use Japanese components:

Is it Genuine?

Yes, the source of the bearings do matter. It is well known in the bearing world the URB bearings are not much better than the Chinese bearings so prevalent in the market.

You can say this but it's just not true. Our ceramic hybrid is better than the original conventional bearing, but the OE bearings were at least from a trusted manufacturer known for quality bearings.

Hybrid ceramic ball bearings

The closest thing to our single row bearing you can find is a Chinese piece of junk for $70-80. To compare to our bearings, an equivalent SFK ceramic hybrid retails for almost $400 when purchased one at a time.

[QUOTE}How do you explain the fact that many IMS bearings have been used for many miles, and are still good. Whereas, some give up after as little as 15k miles? It depends on the series of bearings which the factory was using at the time. Porsche used bearings from Japan, Poland, and Germany at the time, doesn't matter which one it was, some gave up after low mileage, and some worked for years without any problems.[/QUOTE]

Again, this has been discussed at length. It's just not random why the fail. Load capacity is one issue coupled with many other factors including driving style and maintenance.

No, not true. Making the same false statement repeatedly does not make it true.

Exactly. When I was approached by Bruce Anderson about all the problems with the M96 engine, it was accepted common knowledge that the IMS bearing could not be serviced and that the M96 engine was disposable. We changed the rules.

This statement proves to me that you do not know what you are talking about. The larger bearing Porsche went to increased the ball speed, reducing street failures, but increasing track failures. Furthermore, ball bearings like RPM - it has been seen time and time again that cars driven like they were stolen (or at high speeds in Germany) have less IMS failures do to higher engine RPMs. This is just like you rebuilding engines and only sleeving the cylinders that have damage or problems, leaving others unfixed, which will eventually fail. We loose one Motormeister to only be replaced by another.

Our only issue is with competitors that make false claims and knock down our product to make theirs look better. Of course we research our competition and we buy and test all the competition's products, including yours. There are many things that will run if installed, but not run right, IMS kits included. Again there is more than just the sum of the parts.

Considering you've changed your name three times in a year, your name doesn't carry much in the US market or here on the forums. Respect is earned. I, like Jake, have spent thousands of hours on many forums helping others with their problems and developing AND TESTING those solutions we have marketed.

As is commonly posted in threads, use the search feature. This has all been said before. The reason you haven't read any of it is that all you do is come on this forum and post ads for rebuilt engines and do not provide any value to the online Porsche community.

Again, we've already been through the gauntlet. Now it's your turn. Don't think you're being singled out or bullied. The forums did the same thing to us back in 2008 and again when we came out with the IMS Solution.

[QUOTE=Topless;427113]Cat Fight!!!!

:matchup:[/QUOTE
I think this thread has turned into a bar brawl! :matchup::matchup::matchup:
To quote Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"

Umm, people in glass houses shouldn't.........well, you know.

TO

I had to decline the auto correct 3 times to spell it that way. It was a joke.

Duh..............

Good point, Timco. But sadly, that's how unethical people present themselves. They take/steal from others.

hold on dude, there are over 300 members just on this forum that have "Porsche" in their screen names and hundreds more on other forums. Are you saying they are all unethical?

Its a screen name, get over it!

Yes, Porsche is a protected trademark and cant be used for commercial purposes, but if you cant use the word for other reasons then I guess we all need to start referring to "the car that we can't mention"

We get it, you don't like the guy or company or what he is selling.

We all know what opinions are like .....

No dude, IMO, only Porsche-land, a.k.a. Forsche-land, a.k.a. Martin Biernacki is unethical. I like the other +299 forum members. Let's just let the Porsche AG attorneys handle this one like the did back in June. They move swiftly.:)

Can I offer you some unsolicited feedback? This is not a good point to make in the US or Europe. First of all $650 -$700 is not a lot of money for the critical job that is done by this part even if it has to be replaced at an interval. It will cost a lot more than $700 to fix any engine damage because there where short cuts to bring the cost down to $100 or whatever. Secondly, a Porsche owner by and large is a fairly sophisticated consumer and understands that the cost of materials and manufacture is not the only cost. Take for instance the number of educated people who use iPhones. These phones do not cost anywhere near $700 to manufacture but few are saying "F U Apple those guys are ripping us off!! I'm going to buy an Oppo Find 7 or One Plus One for half the price that uses even better hardware". The sophisticated consumer knows that they are buying from a seller in Apple (or Samsung) that has a large knowledge base and have substantial resources to deal with with warranty issues or any other problems that arise. Thirdly, the LNE bearing has a proven track record so in this world that affords a seller the ability to set a price that the market will accept. I'm probably the longest regular poster on this forum (10 years this month). Since the LNE bearing has come out and thousands of retrofits performed I still couldn't point you to one complaint on this forum on any of the other popular Porsche forums. And unlike most aftermarket sellers and devs these guys regularly provide useful information on this subject and the many other ways an m96/7 can fail. This is something important in this era of internet forums for sports cars. Most often is someone has an issue, however trivial, right away some pissed off forum member goes right onto a car forum to start getting back their pound of flesh from the aftermarket seller. Yet this is virtually unheard of for the LNE bearings even after this many retrofits.

So all this taken together, I don't think you're going to find too many people complaining about a $700 part that frees you from the chore and expense of having to remove an engine just to service this one part. I assume Jake Raby and Charles Navarro had a lot to with sparing us all that expense and providing our indys the tools to do these retrofits locally which might be the first time I can think of such a thing ever happening that even the factory making the engines didn't bother to provide at their service shops.

QUOTE:"This statement proves to me that you do not know what you are talking about. The larger bearing Porsche went to increased the ball speed, reducing street failures, but increasing track failures. Furthermore, ball bearings like RPM - it has been seen time and time again that cars driven like they were stolen (or at high speeds in Germany) have less IMS failures do to higher engine RPMs. This is just like you rebuilding engines and only sleeving the cylinders that have damage or problems, leaving others unfixed, which will eventually fail. We loose one Motormeister to only be replaced by another."

You statement regarding IMS failure due to driving style is simply false. You implied that these cars get stolen in Germany, and that the thieves drive fast on the Autobahn (and thanks to that they do not fail) is simply a picture of what you and Raby have in your heads.
Both of you push your theories which you have created to people. If you will ever open your eyes, you will realize that Porsches have been fixed in Europe long before you both existed on these forums. We have driven these cars in Europe 300km/h, and the IMS would fail for no reason sometimes. Driving style has nothing to do with it.
We will repeat again, we did not start this conversation about your IMS. Raby's the one who started "sharing" his opinion here on OUR tread. We did not start getting into your business until Raby started attacking us on the forum. We did not just start to talk about your bearing out of the blue, we know you've been selling them for years, and great for you. But when you get into our business, you will have to face the consequences. You're not the only person who can produce a bearing like that, we will prove you wrong. Even if we have to sell it for our costs, we will provide an option for people to buy it for a better price than yours.
Next time maybe you and Raby will learn NOT TO GET IN ANYBODY'S BUSINESS.
He's already facing the consequences of his previous posts on this tread.
We did change our name 2 times, in Europe people use brand names commonly, it's not being blocked as much there as here, so automotive shops use the name of the make they specialize in all the time. We have received a letter from Porsche, and changed our name. It hasn't been done because we are trying to avoid any responsibility or anything like that. So please don't imply we're not trustworthy because of our name change.
We will let you know about the IMS investigation as soon as we will find out. We deal with people in Europe, and even if we will have to dig it out of the ground, we will get it.

More bla, bla, bla, bla, and bla. In the spirit of Christmas, why don't you do something for the 986 Forum besides try to sell something and line your pockets? You've never contributed a single thing here. Nothing. Ever.

We did not start attacking Raby or LN, if you read the tread from the start it explains itself. We do not care what, or for how much other people sell their products, as long as they stay out of our business. If they were 100% sure of their market, they would not attack other people. Nobody asked them to review our IMS in the first place.

LN Engineering "Nickies" sleeves are aluminum.

See, I thought you were just "stupid" when I saw you named your company Porsche-land. Then I changed that opinion to "an idiot" when you changed your company name again to Forsche-land. But now, after you keep taking the bait, I don't know what to do, other than just laugh. This is really entertaining. :)

Dude, we already told you to come and talk to us in person instead of posting online...Looks like you do not have the balls for it. You're a real ass...and other forum members already know it. If you can't stand that someone else stuffs their pockets, than just get a better job and make some $ on your own...Then, you will be less envious!
We have to disappoint you, we have sold 2 engines today. Your hates just give us more business, so thanks!:matchup:

Do we have moderators here anymore, or is it just a free-for-all?

Oh, so now you want to threaten me, and fight me? Where was all your key-board testosterone back in June when I asked you properly in a PM for a contact name? And you invited me for coffee, not to talk. What kind of coffee do you have? I'm very picky.

Remember, you are the one that made the off hand comment about us and also invited Jake on here by making a pass at him as well. It was other forum members that were asking about your bearing kit and you brought us up. It's only fair that we respond in kind.

Our "theories" are based off of well documented facts about ball bearings and are backed up by data from our bearing manufacturer and others in the field.

Again, I'd like to see where the Germans invented the IMS fix. As far as they were all concerned, there was no problem and no reason to fix it.

We've helped out countless dozens of Porsche dealerships worldwide and helped to rebuild confidence in a whole generation of vehicles that were otherwise considered disposable and resale values reflected this. Not to mention the level of support we provide the aftermarket to ensure the integrity of the brand is upheld.

Jake and I have separate businesses. If you have a beef with Jake, that's fine by me. But attack my brand and my integrity, and I too will reply in kind. I have nothing to hide. Our installations stand over 20,000 strong and we've rebuilt over 1000 engines. I have nothing to prove here.

My statement has nothing to do with this spirited debate you are engaged with LNE/Flat6. I am merely providing IMS customer feedback on your point about cost to manufacture vs. retail cost. $700 is well within my checking account tolerances.
I'm guessing others agree if the preponderance of IMS units in service since the Pelican options (and others) became available continue to come from LNE despite their higher cost to purchase.

moderators on a public website are more trouble then they are worth. imho.
If you don't like someone's response ignore it. Now if you are a paying member of a website then some tailoring of published responses can certainly be in order.
Besides the N SA are getting a good laugh, or at least the ones who drive fine German cars.

Professional vernacular.

^ dunno about your indy there Jacob but mine here... when he is not happy, people crawls under tiles to avoid the dude. That's one of the reason I go there... I get the feeling my car is in good hands and no one would dare to screw around his town.

I'd expect and hope for the same attitude from my performance engine builder lol

Kewl forum

No, "he" is not.. That sentence proves your intent and further it proves that for some reason, you believe that you are winning.

I will stand behind every single thing that I have said, and given the opportunity I would say it eyeball to eyeball.

As for the "bottom feeder" comment, those people know who they are and my reference was not to any customer or group of people. A bottom feeder can exist anywhere, any time. I am who imam and I say exactly what I think. If someone can't handle forward, direct communication, they'd never appreciate my way of business anyway.

So be it.

Here I go, getting sucked into these "interesting threads." Tonichristi, while I cannot argue with anything that you said, the issue is that one can't really enjoy the cars and the hobby and the experience if one looks at it as a pure investment. One has to look at it like a vacation or a new car or boat - not an investment in the S&P 500. If you're going to enjoy the car, track it, and keep it for 20+ years, then it makes perfect sense to invest the $$$ in it. It's the same as if you spent a ton of $$$ on a new kitchen in your house. The returns on that are about 40-50% loss at the time of sale. But the intrinsic "enjoyment" value of the "investment" is key.

For pure investment purposes, yes, you are 100% correct. But for life-enjoyment and investment in one's passion, that doesn't hold here. I would estimate that 95% of my customers are in this latter category.

-Wayne

I read this entire thread , nothing of value . The top dog and the under dog in a childly pissing match . these motors are absurdly overpriced your better off buying a new car with 996s at 20k all day long and boxsters at 10k by the thousands . you would have to be a fool to rebuild or even buy a junkyard motor at 10k , nuts .

Hmm, this thread seems to have run its course. I'll add my comments though, before I close this thread.

As many of you know, there are more IMS replacement solutions on the market now than I have fingers on my hands (and I have not lost any fingers yet). We resell the LN Engineering IMS kit on the website and I also recommend it in my book (101 Projects for Your Porsche Boxster). Pelican has also developed our own kit to replace the IMS bearing for the cost conscious customer as well. Between these two solutions, I feel that the Boxster customer-base is pretty well covered. We've sold hundreds of our kit, and it's basically based on simply replacing the Porsche factory bearing with a new one of nearly identical type. The LN Engineering kit is similar, except that their kit uses a custom-manufactured end-plate and a custom-manufactured ceramic bearing which in theory should last longer than the original steel ball bearing used by Porsche.

No one knows exactly and definitively why these bearings fail. There are lots of clues that have resulted in lots of theories, but the fact of the matter is that the exact failure mechanism remains unknown. The bottomline is that it is my opinion that the design of the original engine from Porsche has a weakness (some would say design defect depending upon who you speak with) that will cause these bearings to fail. The best one can do to help prevent this is to replace the bearing every 30,000 miles when you perform a clutch replacement.

I have more information available on the IMS replacement here:
Pelican Technical Article: Boxster Intermediate Shaft Bearing Replacement and Upgrade (IMS) - 986 Boxster (1997-04) - 987 Boxster (2005-06)

Also, more information on some of the weak points of these engines here:
Pelican Technical Article: Common Boxster Engine Problems and Failures - 986 / 987

With that said, I think this thread can only go down the tubes from here. If people want to continue discussion from here, then they should just probably just start a new thread.

Thanks,

Wayne