Porsche engines for sale

[Nine8Six]

what on earth was all that about :/

If I'd have a 0.1% authority on this forum I'd lock this thread... delete it as well perhaps?

[Timco]

Someone got their Smart Car tipped....

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My cat tipped my smart car because he's a jerk.

[Giller]

Haven't heard a bad thing about MB motorsports, nor have I heard anything bad about Jake....until you put them both in a room together!
Guys, you both have your own place in the chain and both have successful businesses from what I can glean. Good luck to you both.

[Top_Ramen]

A bit off topic, but from my experience, ALL CAR SHOPS on Morse Avenue (and nearby)in Schaumburg are TOP guys. (: From Strictly Modified(personal friends), Legend Racing(my nitrous guys), Factory 5/ProFunction(my Integra type R), and A-spec(dyno tuning). Have dealt with every single one of them and got to know them very well and would gladly recommend them to anyone!

As a new Chicagoland Porsche owner, I'll definitely stop by MB Motor. next time I'm in the area. The best of luck to you guys...

[kjc2050]

This thread has outlived its usefulness, and ought to be deleted. It doesn't serve anyone well.

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"Bottom feeders", Mr. Raby? Yikes.

[JayG]

everyone...

please

CHILL OUT!!!!!

[tonichristi]

Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Cars final value with super special Raby motor = still $10k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.
I don't care what magical fairy spells he knows; only an idiot would invest that much money in a $10k car.

Someone needs to tell that guy that these aren't $50k cars anymore. Apparently, he didn't get the memo.

[porsche-land]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Cars final value with super special Raby motor = still $10k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.
I don't care what magical fairy spells he knows; only an idiot would invest that much money in a $10k car.

Someone needs to tell that guy that these aren't $50k cars anymore. Apparently, he didn't get the memo.
$700 for a bearing...you, sir, are a thief!

One more thing; if you think an internal combustion engine is like rocket science, then you're not very smart. Try actually building a multi-stage liquid fueled rocket sometime (here comes the part when he claims he already did when he was like 12, lmao!).
Any idiot can repair an internal combustion engine which is why mechanics generally aren't very highly educated.

We did not want to say it out loud, thanks for doing it for us
We have worked on 100's of customer's cars that have been driving them ever since, or have sold them, and bought a better model. Older Porsches with engine issues depreciate in value, especially when 2008 models and up have better engines, where factory has eliminated 60% of their faults. That car might cost more, but it will be cheaper to repair if anything happens.
Mr. Raby says he works on newer DFE engines, where pretty soon he will be surprised, because we will have these brand new engines from Europe for the price of his rebuild. Which one would you choose?
Stay tuned for our IMS investigation

[Jake Raby]

If I further respond it'll only detract from the thread further.

Enough has been said. We both have our places in the industry.

As far as the comment about using uneducated folks for a customer base, who do you think spends time writing articles, and instructing classes to educate people about these engines. The same person that's writing the book on them as we speak.

[porsche-land]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

If I further respond it'll only detract from the thread further.

Enough has been said. We both have our places in the industry.

As far as the comment about using uneducated folks for a customer base, who do you think spends time writing articles, and instructing classes to educate people about these engines. The same person that's writing the book on them as we speak.

You are still bragging about yourself, it's getting old, and we're bored. We're having a hard time deciding whether to laugh or cry about it.
Because of your IMS review, we will not let this one go...Don't forget to mention us in your book

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by porsche-land

You are still bragging about yourself, it's getting old, and we're bored. We're having a hard time deciding whether to laugh or cry about it.
Because of your IMS review, we will not let this one go...

Ok, if you must... That's fine.

[BYprodriver]

[QUOTE=tonichristi;427066]Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.

This is pointed out during the consultation Jake gives before starting the job.

[Jake Raby]

[QUOTE=BYprodriver;427076]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.

This is pointed out during the consultation Jake gives before starting the job.

Again, it's not a rebuild. For a rebuild call the original poster of this thread.

Yes, the only time my engine makes sense is if the car will be kept for many years, or forever. As byprodriver states, that's the first thing I will point out in a consultation.

Big Jake, I have a 3400S Rufster here now, it's getting a Raby 4.0 if I can't save the engine that's in it now.

Here's one more sentence that needs clarification:

Additionally, from what I see your new IMS solutions looks like a different variation that essentially copies the oil feed concept that TuneRS developed and use in their race cars

You are confused. Very confused. The IMS Solution has zero in common with the DOF. One is an uncontrolled oil spray onto a ball bearing, the other pressure feeds a plain, journal bearing which radially and longitudinally supports the whole of the IMS assembly with a hydrodynamic film of oil. Both may use engine oil, however the way this oil is delivered and how it is used are radically different. One omits the ball bearing completely, while the other simply sprays oil onto a factory style bearing.

[TeamOxford]

See now...... there's room for both Jake and Martin (and others) in the Porsche world.

Jake can provide for customers who insist on only the best, with cost being no logical object, and Martin provides a lower cost, and still viable, alternative to those who want keep their crippled rides on the road.

The passion displayed by both of them is admirable.

You know what's coming next:



Just sayin'....................

TO

[golonaus]

Originally Posted by TeamOxford

See now...... there's room for both Jake and Martin (and others) in the Porsche world.

Jake can provide for customers who insist on only the best, with cost being no logical object, and Martin provides a lower cost, and still viable, alternative to those who want keep their crippled rides on the road.

The passion displayed by both of them is admirable.

You know what's coming next:



Just sayin'....................

TO

finally some logic in this tread

[Wayne 962]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Cars final value with super special Raby motor = still $10k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.
I don't care what magical fairy spells he knows; only an idiot would invest that much money in a $10k car.

Someone needs to tell that guy that these aren't $50k cars anymore. Apparently, he didn't get the memo.

Here I go, getting sucked into these "interesting threads." Tonichristi, while I cannot argue with anything that you said, the issue is that one can't really enjoy the cars and the hobby and the experience if one looks at it as a pure investment. One has to look at it like a vacation or a new car or boat - not an investment in the S&P 500. If you're going to enjoy the car, track it, and keep it for 20+ years, then it makes perfect sense to invest the $$$ in it. It's the same as if you spent a ton of $$$ on a new kitchen in your house. The returns on that are about 40-50% loss at the time of sale. But the intrinsic "enjoyment" value of the "investment" is key.

For pure investment purposes, yes, you are 100% correct. But for life-enjoyment and investment in one's passion, that doesn't hold here. I would estimate that 95% of my customers are in this latter category.

-Wayne

[Wayne 962]

Hmm, this thread seems to have run its course. I'll add my comments though, before I close this thread.

As many of you know, there are more IMS replacement solutions on the market now than I have fingers on my hands (and I have not lost any fingers yet). We resell the LN Engineering IMS kit on the website and I also recommend it in my book (101 Projects for Your Porsche Boxster). Pelican has also developed our own kit to replace the IMS bearing for the cost conscious customer as well. Between these two solutions, I feel that the Boxster customer-base is pretty well covered. We've sold hundreds of our kit, and it's basically based on simply replacing the Porsche factory bearing with a new one of nearly identical type. The LN Engineering kit is similar, except that their kit uses a custom-manufactured end-plate and a custom-manufactured ceramic bearing which in theory should last longer than the original steel ball bearing used by Porsche.

No one knows exactly and definitively why these bearings fail. There are lots of clues that have resulted in lots of theories, but the fact of the matter is that the exact failure mechanism remains unknown. The bottomline is that it is my opinion that the design of the original engine from Porsche has a weakness (some would say design defect depending upon who you speak with) that will cause these bearings to fail. The best one can do to help prevent this is to replace the bearing every 30,000 miles when you perform a clutch replacement.

I have more information available on the IMS replacement here:
Pelican Technical Article: Boxster Intermediate Shaft Bearing Replacement and Upgrade (IMS) - 986 Boxster (1997-04) - 987 Boxster (2005-06)

Also, more information on some of the weak points of these engines here:
Pelican Technical Article: Common Boxster Engine Problems and Failures - 986 / 987

With that said, I think this thread can only go down the tubes from here. If people want to continue discussion from here, then they should just probably just start a new thread.

Thanks,

Wayne

[BIGJake111]

Okay, everyone here is being very unprofessional, not only the shop owners but forum members too.

Mr. Raby does have a habit of over dramatizing things about these cars, but there is evidence behind all of the modes of failure. He is skilled and gets good reviews often, not to mention those of us here at the forum really appreciate how often he posts and interacts. Rather than saying he can not "drop to our level" to pm us.

Now both products are likely of good quality based on the reviews of others. But the products aside it looks bad on all parties involved when you belittle each other infront of your small niche target market. Essentially creating a PR nightmare for the lot of those involved.

Charges and prices aside, raby built cars are essentially american RUFs at this point with the respect that he has for his knowledge and the figures these rebuilt engines can produce. Is it a smart investment though, that's up to you, I know I would never buy a 70k ruf 3400 s when I could do a swap in a roller for much less. However some people are interested in these rebuilds so let them be.

Essentially all involved at this point are only digging graves for themselves.