Wtr ims bearing tools - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

3.2S · 03-03-2013, 01:25 PM

I'm about to replace the ims bearing and would like to rent the puller-install tools for the job plus the cam holder if possible. Get a little back on your investment, let me know!
Thanks.

3.2S · 03-05-2013, 03:11 PM

Bump, no body wants to rent?

Meir · 03-05-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 3.2S

Bump, no body wants to rent?

I whould love to, but my tool is currently with another dear forum member.
How urgent do you need it?

3.2S · 03-06-2013, 08:29 PM

Well I have plenty of other projects plus I need to order the bearing. Next week possibly? Let me know, Terry

Homeboy981 · 03-07-2013, 05:50 AM

FYI, I am the holdup. Here is where I am at with it….

I should be done with the kit soon. I am told the car goes back together pretty quick! You would never know it from all the parts in my garage!

@Meir is just a NICE GUY and let me use the tools (although I DID opt to DONATE to the "Meir Tool Fund" he-he) but I ran into a delay. If it is O.K. with him I can send the kit directly to you when complete. Order the parts and by the time they arrive you should have the kit on the way.

This "kit" contains ALL THE TOOLS NEEDED for IMS/RMS work and then some! Plus, it came in a camera case - so good it looks like something JD would carry!

Here is a shot of ALL the tools:

…and the case:

I will find a Texas sticker and slap it on before I send it on. May be we could start a thing and YOU can place a sticker on there when yours is done too. Is that O.K. with you Meir?

By the time it gets back the case will have logged more miles than our Boxsters!

All this is provided @Meir gives me the O.K. - I would not want to upset a generous man! He is REALY COOL to have let me use the tools - they saved me a BUNDLE on IMS installation costs! Plus, I have a larger steel bar used to lock down the flywheel, I will see if I can include that too. This was the ONLY PART not in there - cause it didn't fit! Ask him what that tool is on the far left (next to the clutch alignment tool).

I'll bet there are others who would LOVE to use it too. But, at the end of the day, they ARE @Meir's tools - you MUST CLEAR IT WITH HIM. I am just a lucky beneficiary of his kindness.

Even though he has been generous….I'm sure a DONATION would be in order and ACCEPTED! Considering the cost and care he has taken EXPECTED may be a better word. Although @Meir is too nice to ask!

Meir · 03-07-2013, 02:12 PM

PM sent for both of you.
I like the sticker idea Homeboy.
just imagine if in couple of years it will have all states on it.

3.2S · 03-08-2013, 04:30 AM

No rush Homeboy. Now I'm on the fence about changing the bearing. I've inspected mine and it looks and feels perfect. I'm considering leaving the outer seal off and just buttoning it up. Anybody have thoughts on that?

san rensho · 03-08-2013, 04:37 AM

Is it a double row or single? If its a double I would chance it, if it's a single, I would replace it with the ceramic bearing.

Kenny Boxster · 03-08-2013, 04:29 PM

One thing I would suggest is a deposit for the tools if it's lent out, since there are so many people out there. And, if all 50 states were on it, eventually wear and tear will accumulate. So, donations sent will cover the replacement for the kit. It's pretty cool idea and I wouldn't mind lending out tools to a forum member that needs to use them for a one time project.

Meir · 03-08-2013, 04:56 PM

Finely back home.
I will respond to your PM here Terry.
As for your dilemma, I think it's a no brainer.
You already have everything apart, and you are doing the job yourself, so most of the cost associated with the IMSB is covered.
The question now, is the cost of the bearing.
You have 2 options. LN for around $650, or pelican for $150.
Take in mind that the pelican kit includes the same single row bearing that you have in the car, and includes a new seal for the bearing cover.
The LN kit comes with an improved bearing (ceramic balls), improve center stud, and improved cover with a new seal.
It is your decision to make which one you want. I went with the LN, but I think the pelican one is a good alternative.
This way or the other, I whould replace the bearing. The hard part of the job is behind you.
Now I have a question. How exactly did you inspect the bearing?
In order to do that, you need to remove the 2 lower tensioners, and the bearing cover.
Once the cover is removed, and you don't have tension on the shaft, you can try wiggling the center stud and look for "play".
Please tell me you didn't do that without locking the camshaft an crankshaft first.

3.2S · 03-09-2013, 06:45 PM

I checked the bearing as you mentioned with the crank and cam locked. There is no play in the bearing and I took the seal off to inspect, smell, etc. I'm pretty sure it's a double row bearing that's why I'm considering leaving it in. The thing is there's already oil in it (I assume it had grease when new). I'm going to quite pondering it and just change it as you suggested.

Meir · 03-09-2013, 06:56 PM

If you post a pic of the IMS cover, we can tell you if it's a single or double row.

3.2S · 03-09-2013, 07:21 PM

Yea it's a double row for sure, I just looked real good and can see the second row of bearings back there. BTW Homeboy I believe the last tool is a special tricky insert you can use if the bearing bolt has broken off behind the bearing.

Benjamin · 04-01-2013, 05:17 AM

I may also want to get in the loop, but it would be at least a month from now. I could add a Michigan sticker to the mix.

The tools don't look all that difficult to make with a lathe and mill (which I have). Has anyone made technical drawings of the kit?

fcotanis · 07-09-2013, 08:34 PM

Hello folks,

Never thought I'd see the day ... yet ... found a bunch of ferrous shavings in the oil filter, so here I am. I pulled the transmission and flywheel and it's a dbl row IMSB.
I would highly appreciate borrowing/renting/buying the kit ASAP - I am taking a friends garage up.

Thank you very much for any PMs on the subject.

Best!,
Filip

3.2S · 07-10-2013, 04:18 PM

Just curious, you must have pulled the outer bearing seal out. How was the oil/grease in the bearing? Metal fragments floating around? I had metal in my oil filter, pulled the IMS bearing outer seal off and found clean dark oil with little/no grease mix in the bearing. Turns out I had metal in the motor from a totally different source in the cam cover.
Of course a new IMS bearing went in anyway with good advice and help from our great forum members here. I guess experience has taught me to never assume anything. Good luck with it!

fcotanis · 07-15-2013, 08:31 AM

3.2S:
I have not yet gotten to the bearing - I want to be able to lock cams and crank first. I have however - nightmares about the scenario you are describing. I will update with what I find as soon as I can, likely in the next few days.

fcotanis · 07-15-2013, 09:13 PM

Sad news I am affraid,

Bearing looks as near as perfect as it could be. There was oil inside it but no pitting or play.
Terry what was your metal source and was it ferrous metal?

Thanks!!
Filip

JAAY · 09-11-2013, 05:03 PM

I would like to be in the loop myself. I snapped the flippin bolt while re torquing the bearing center nut. I will have no problem paying for shipping, renting or anything else that whomever may want. If the same tool goes around I think something special should be added to the box from each user so that the owner gets a good laugh or is reimbursed in some way.

I have references here on the board if needed.

Jason H.
NY

Benjamin · 03-26-2014, 11:16 AM

I just ordered the new bearing and would like to do mine next weekend (April 5-6). Is the kit still available for use? or anyone have a line on one I could borrow?