11-04-2015, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Gelbster
Monty :"No ROLLER type bearing likes .."
Do you mean deep-groove-ball bearing or roller. There is a huuuuge difference in IMSB terms. Don't get us started on that again!
Filtration - suggest you research the difference between the OEM filter and the LN full flow+Napa Gold spin-on filter. By-pass is a more significant risk than filter pore size according to the experts.
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I am referring to both roller and ball. By filtration I am referring to the the filter efficiency, not bypass, ( I have LN, NAPA Gold and Filtermag to eliminate bypass) this is not the same thing. The Filtration efficiency of most filters is only to ~10 micron first pass. This means there is always some particles that simply pass through the filter.These are continuously circulating to some degree. These particles are fine in a plain bearing where there is no contact and the bearing rides on a film of oil that is greater than this particle size. That is not true with a roller or ball bearing where the balls have contact with the races, and therefore do not like debris.
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11-04-2015, 09:05 AM
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I am not affiliated with or in any way compensated by LN or Jake, but the only bearing that has the clearance to allow this debris is the plain type bearing in the LN Solution system.
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And that's Patented, too.
Filtered oil, and "just filtered oil" are two dramatically different things.
Oh, and to the camp that says the IMS Solution can't live without it's oil feed line? I have some medicine for you, too.
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US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
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11-04-2015, 09:17 AM
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Oh, and to the camp that says the IMS Solution can't live without it's oil feed line? I have some medicine for you, too.[/QUOTE]
Ok Now this is something that has to be elaborated on. My understanding that as soon as the oil film is lost such as oil starvation, contact occurs and bearing is destroyed. You have some other magic? Who says we can't all learn something?
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11-04-2015, 09:22 AM
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Just because the oil feed is stopped,it does not mean that oil in the bearing instantly disappears. A residual film will be retained for a while.(define 'while'?).Surface tension.
The bearing is coated ? PC3 or similar?
Pedro's Technofix DOF has an uncoated bearing.
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11-04-2015, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gelbster
Just because the oil feed is stopped,it does not mean that oil in the bearing instantly disappears. A residual film will be retained for a while.(define 'while'?).Surface tension.
The bearing is coated ? PC3 or similar?
Pedro's Technofix DOF has an uncoated bearing.
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Gelbster This is fun! There is some magic elixirs out there such as teflon etc. that claim they can prevent contact, I'm not sold. Oil film strength and pressure in the bearing is what prevents contact. Now wether it is loss of film strength due to excessive heat or oil starvation due to long high G turns, damage is usually instantaneous as far as human reaction time is concerned.
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11-04-2015, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 911monty
Oh, and to the camp that says the IMS Solution can't live without it's oil feed line? I have some medicine for you, too.
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Ok Now this is something that has to be elaborated on. My understanding that as soon as the oil film is lost such as oil starvation, contact occurs and bearing is destroyed. You have some other magic? Who says we can't all learn something?  [/QUOTE]
Thats what the other guys want you to think.. Its the ONLY ammo they have against the IMS Solution.
Too bad they are wrong, and an engine can run for 20 miles and see 7,000 RPM over and over again with ZERO oil feed and not fail.
I t can go further than that, but thats what was on the engine when I did the video, then I pulled it apart for evaluation. I have photos of the unit pre, and post the evaluation to show what it did with zero oil feed, and didn't even have a line attached.
I have video documentation of this. You will see it soon, with a story.
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Yes but the ims solution is going to take a while to be available for the dualrow from what I understand,right?
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No, its available at my facility right now. Distributors have orders in place for more than 500 units already.
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Can you tell me what the ceramic bearings act like on "garage queens", are they as sensitive as the conventional type when the car isn't used much, or are they more resistant? And how about the question I asked about the life of the bearings,if after 6 years they have 20000 miles, will they still have to be changed?
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The IMS Solution is a permanent retrofit, it does NOT have and mileage or time lifespan.
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Just because the oil feed is stopped,it does not mean that oil in the bearing instantly disappears. A residual film will be retained for a while.(define 'while'?).Surface tension.
The bearing is coated ? PC3 or similar?
Pedro's Technofix DOF has an uncoated bearing.
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The IMS Solution uses a DLC coated journal, coupled to the material that the bushing is made from, it takes extensive wear to create an issue with this.
This wasn't something that was developed over night in someone's garage. I had more than a decade of my life invested in the invention, and development before I was able to secure the Patent for the IMS Solution.
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IMS Solution/ Faultless Tool Inventor
US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
Last edited by Jake Raby; 11-04-2015 at 10:52 AM.
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11-04-2015, 10:10 AM
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Thanks Jake looking forward to the video! This is what makes this forum so great, the willingness to share info and knowledge so we all benefit. Thanks all!
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11-04-2015, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake Raby
Ok Now this is something that has to be elaborated on. My understanding that as soon as the oil film is lost such as oil starvation, contact occurs and bearing is destroyed. You have some other magic? Who says we can't all learn something? 
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Thats what the other guys want you to think.. Its the ONLY ammo they have against the IMS Solution.
Too bad they are wrong, and an engine can run for 20 miles and see 7,000 RPM over and over again with ZERO oil feed and not fail.
I t can go further than that, but thats what was on the engine when I did the video, then I pulled it apart for evaluation. I have photos of the unit pre, and post the evaluation to show what it did with zero oil feed, and didn't even have a line attached.
I have video documentation of this. You will see it soon, with a story.
No, its available at my facility right now. Distributors have orders in place for more than 500 units already.
The IMS Solution is a permanent retrofit, it does NOT have and mileage or time lifespan.
The IMS Solution uses a DLC coated journal, coupled to the material that the bushing is made from, it takes extensive wear to create an issue with this.
This wasn't something that was developed over night in someone's garage. I had more than a decade of my life invested in the invention, and development before I was able to secure the Patent for the IMS Solution.[/QUOTE]
When I asked about lifespan I meant for the ceramic bearing retrofit kit. Will the bearings still be more prone to failing if the car's not used much? And will it still need changing after 6 years, irrelevant of miles?
Can I ask how much the ims solution will cost for the dual row?
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11-04-2015, 12:30 PM
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Engine Surgeon
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Can I ask how much the ims solution will cost for the dual row?
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I have no idea what a retail price will be. Thats not my department, I do know what my installed price is, which is the same as the single row version.
Retail price points may differ. You'll have to wait and see, or stand in line at my door :-)
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IMS Solution/ Faultless Tool Inventor
US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
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11-04-2015, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake Raby
I have no idea what a retail price will be. Thats not my department, I do know what my installed price is, which is the same as the single row version.
Retail price points may differ. You'll have to wait and see, or stand in line at my door :-)
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So I cant buy it directly from you?
If not, when will it be available at supliers,and will it be at suppliers in Europe?
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