11-26-2013, 08:07 PM
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There is someone that we know here who has that same SC installed on his 986 and that since 2008 if my memory is good. He drives the car every single day and never complained having to change his engine once  It's all down to how you drive the car really and whether you had +100k before installing the kit.
In my case, I take the 986 out for a spin once or twice a month and I don't get used to using the gas pedal when I do - it's always floored. So in my case that would be a bit risky engine/pistons/lifters-wise. Unless of course I could find some +100 octane gas anywhere then it would be a different story
I'm guessing if you make normal use of the motor then you should be just fine!
+35rwhp? that is what my mate here claims he got out of his kit (dyno'ed). Sick eh
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11-26-2013, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine8Six
There is someone that we know here who has that same SC installed on his 986 and that since 2008 if my memory is good. He drives the car every single day and never complained having to change his engine once  It's all down to how you drive the car really and whether you had +100k before installing the kit.
In my case, I take the 986 out for a spin once or twice a month and I don't get used to using the gas pedal when I do - it's always floored. So in my case that would be a bit risky engine/pistons/lifters-wise. Unless of course I could find some +100 octane gas anywhere then it would be a different story
I'm guessing if you make normal use of the motor then you should be just fine!
+35rwhp? that is what my mate here claims he got out of his kit (dyno'ed). Sick eh
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I think he will be 75+ hp to the wheels after the install
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11-26-2013, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by evomind
I think he will be 75+ hp to the wheels after the install
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That's what I think. From what I've read, it seems reasonable to expect 65-85 hp to the wheels. I did not get a dyno before, but I will probably get one later.
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11-29-2013, 12:00 PM
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For me I had a boost gauge. If I were you I would have a boost gauge and the afr gauge with the 5th sensor. I like to know what is going on at all times. I'm a control freak.
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11-26-2013, 09:38 PM
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San Diego Boxster
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine8Six
There is someone that we know here who has that same SC installed on his 986 and that since 2008 if my memory is good. He drives the car every single day and never complained having to change his engine once  It's all down to how you drive the car really and whether you had +100k before installing the kit.
In my case, I take the 986 out for a spin once or twice a month and I don't get used to using the gas pedal when I do - it's always floored. So in my case that would be a bit risky engine/pistons/lifters-wise. Unless of course I could find some +100 octane gas anywhere then it would be a different story
I'm guessing if you make normal use of the motor then you should be just fine!
+35rwhp? that is what my mate here claims he got out of his kit (dyno'ed). Sick eh
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Do you know if your friend had to get his DME reprogrammed? I am pretty sure I will need to do that.
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11-26-2013, 10:54 PM
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Just had a word with our indy who did the job for him. Yes he apparently sent his ECU to GIAC back in the states to get it flashed. He also went for the 4" pulley option on the SC so the 35hp is about right within what everybody heard about his SC mod here.
Apparently the MY96 motor is less than a great motor for forced induction and simply not designed to take the added power. Common problems are the top rings melting, pistons cracking and lifters failures. My indy also said that for such a system on a cheap flat6 engine, you'll need to change a lot along side e.g. much bigger fuel injectors, better pistons and rings, huge headers and exhaust pipes, some sort of intercooler, a pro-tuner "timing" job, etc etc etc. A proper set-up can run between 10k~20.
I'm guessing that 986 SC guy here didn't had that kind of patience and cash therefore had to go for the downgrade option and live with +35hp, but a reliable set-up
Don't take above for granted, I know crap about cars and even less about the flat6 engine and just repeating what I've just been told by a pcar pro-tuner here. I'd check with the professionals who are not affiliated with the SC manufacturer to make sure your (awesome) boxster stays awesome before thinking about throwing it +75 more horses
Everybody told me this kit needs MINIMUM +100 octane juice to run safely, how are you dealing with that? Can we run those on the cheap commercial gas we find at pump everywhere now? Guessing the DME needs to be adjusted for that?
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11-27-2013, 08:15 AM
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San Diego Boxster
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Originally Posted by Nine8Six
Just had a word with our indy who did the job for him. Yes he apparently sent his ECU to GIAC back in the states to get it flashed. He also went for the 4" pulley option on the SC so the 35hp is about right within what everybody heard about his SC mod here.
Apparently the MY96 motor is less than a great motor for forced induction and simply not designed to take the added power. Common problems are the top rings melting, pistons cracking and lifters failures. My indy also said that for such a system on a cheap flat6 engine, you'll need to change a lot along side e.g. much bigger fuel injectors, better pistons and rings, huge headers and exhaust pipes, some sort of intercooler, a pro-tuner "timing" job, etc etc etc. A proper set-up can run between 10k~20.
I'm guessing that 986 SC guy here didn't had that kind of patience and cash therefore had to go for the downgrade option and live with +35hp, but a reliable set-up
Don't take above for granted, I know crap about cars and even less about the flat6 engine and just repeating what I've just been told by a pcar pro-tuner here. I'd check with the professionals who are not affiliated with the SC manufacturer to make sure your (awesome) boxster stays awesome before thinking about throwing it +75 more horses
Everybody told me this kit needs MINIMUM +100 octane juice to run safely, how are you dealing with that? Can we run those on the cheap commercial gas we find at pump everywhere now? Guessing the DME needs to be adjusted for that?
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Thanks for the thorough reply. I've confirmed that the pulley on my SC is 4 inches. Glad to know there's the option to send the ECU to GIAC to flashing. I was making the assumption I would have to bring the car to a tuner.
Anyone have thoughts on that?
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11-27-2013, 08:27 AM
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Track rat
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Originally Posted by drbodzin
Thanks for the thorough reply. I've confirmed that the pulley on my SC is 4 inches. Glad to know there's the option to send the ECU to GIAC to flashing. I was making the assumption I would have to bring the car to a tuner.
Anyone have thoughts on that?
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From others past experience I recommend a live dyno tune to get A/F ratios and ign timing exactly right based on your chosen fuel and setup. FI on a Boxster has a very narrow tuning window between making more power safely and connecting rods sticking out of awkward places. Tuning is not where you want to save money with a off-the-shelf solution. IMHO
This car will definitely not be "street legal" and subject to impound in CA due to CARB anti-tampering laws requiring unmolested intake and exhaust, but it may actually pass a smog inspection if the tech is unaware of your changes and it runs clean with functional cats. Welcome to commiefornia.
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