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Old 10-17-2011, 06:11 PM   #1
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2001 3.6 engine build

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Old 10-17-2011, 06:22 PM   #2
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Crankshaft & housing, LN IMS ceramic bearing, billet flange & shaft with balanced connecting rods & ARP bolts #4,5&6 installed into crankcase half.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:49 PM   #3
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You have cool toys to play with. What are you going to do for engine management?
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:05 PM   #4
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You have cool toys to play with. What are you going to do for engine management?
Original Variocam ECU can compensate for the additional airflow, so no changes requred to run in 2000=2002 Boxster or 2000-2001 996
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:47 PM   #5
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So you'll be using the heads from a 3.2 or 3.4?
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:07 AM   #6
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The heads are from a 3.2 & I think they are the same as a 3.4, I know the cams are the same.
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Old 10-19-2011, 08:22 AM   #7
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Details, plans, expected output??
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:49 AM   #9
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I took the flat6innovations M96 engine rebuilding course, so I am basically copying their Stage 1 engine using LNengineering parts. I am in CA so engine will pass CA emissions test easily & add about 40 ft./lbs. torque @ lower rpm than stock. I already have a duplicate engine in my 2000S so if I don't find a 996 to put this engine in soon I will sell the engine to someone else.
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Old 10-28-2011, 09:10 AM   #10
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:24 PM   #11
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:47 AM   #12
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This 2001 3.6 longblock for sale $14,000
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Pro river, did you do all of the upgrades to chain tensioners,etc? Would you mind listing all of the build specs. 14k. Seems like a good price for someone lookig to upgrade and address all of the failure modes
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Pro river, did you do all of the upgrades to chain tensioners,etc? Would you mind listing all of the build specs. 14k. Seems like a good price for someone lookig to upgrade and address all of the failure modes
Sgt, every part of the engine is cleaned & inspected for wear from the case to the bearings & bolts. Anything that can be upgraded is replaced with the best part available. New cam chains, IMS chain tensioner with the external preload spring, LN billet oil pump driveshaft, LN triplerow ceramic IMS bearing upgrade, New IMS chain tensioner paddle, New Cam tensioner wear pads, ARP rod bolts. Lifters & chain tensioners cleaned & tested in new oil heated to 275degrees.All recipricating parts dynamicaly balanced to half gram tolerance. Engine fully prelubed for initial startup including filling oil filter housing & pump & camshafts. Let me know if there are other build specs you are looking for.

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Old 02-10-2012, 12:16 PM   #15
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I have built this same engine, and I have also made 295hp with a 3.2 (and passes CA smog without issue) The 3.6 conversion doesn't impress me. For 10k a CaymanS engine will make 340hp.

We even went out of our way and did a CaymanS intake on the 3.4 heads... and large tube exhaust... The bottle neck is the heads/cams..


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Old 02-10-2012, 01:23 PM   #16
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to run the cayman s motor you have to have the variocam plus dme though right? i've been down the road of having to rework the engine mgt system to make it work and don't want to do that again. it seems to me that the bigger disp on the stock m96 would work well for me. i just find it hard to believe that it takes 20k+ to make 300 or so hp. factor in a full exhaust and ipd/pedro/etc intake and add another 5k to that number. 25k for 330hp? really? i guess it's really closer to 375 at the crank and that is some solace. but, still.......
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I have built this same engine, and I have also made 295hp with a 3.2 (and passes CA smog without issue) The 3.6 conversion doesn't impress me. For 10k a CaymanS engine will make 340hp.

We even went out of our way and did a CaymanS intake on the 3.4 heads... and large tube exhaust... The bottle neck is the heads/cams..


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The 3.6 big bore does impress me... Even with stock camshaft profiles (with altered lobe separation and open/ closing events)it is possible to build a much more usable RPM range with huge increases in torque and throttle response all while addressing the internal deficiencies of the OE engine.
Recently a client drove his Boxster to us (from Oregon to Ga) for an elective 3.2> 3.6 big bore enhancement.
On the way here he averaged 23 MPg, on the way home he averaged 30mpg. Our engine combination is that much more efficient even when his car made 42HP more at the rear wheels in the "after" evaluation than it did "before".
The best part is the only OE Porsche parts that were used we're chain rails and a gasket set.

The only guy that benefits from my engine is the one who will keep his car forever~

That said, the reasons why the same 3.6 big bore engine always makes more power in the 996 than in a Boxster are numerous and we thoroughly understand all of those elements. We can now make 300rwhp from our 3.2> 3.6 with stock exhaust, stock ecu and a stock intake along with all other stock externals. While everyone was busy bolting on performance I optimized the internals of these engines and continue to.
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:19 PM   #19
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Dyno test of a duplicate 3.6 engine

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But the pros do their homework on the dyno and aren't doing yours as their first. They know the numbers and they drive the results and make sure they work in the real world. It does you no good to have impressive dyno results and have a pig to drive to the supermarket.
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