Lessons learned?: Buying a "used low mileage engine"....

[Jake Raby]

He has sent Phil and I emails from at least 5 different IP addresses...

I doubt seriously he'd make the same mistake twice..

Oh well, the car with the Phantom's engine is back up and running now after we replaced the cylinder heads...

[blinkwatt]

This thread is a waste of time unless names are given. Until then, Mr.Raby is just dragging people along promoting his own business and installing fear in others.

[Brucelee]

No names are to be mentioned. When that happends, the thread will be deleted.

The thread remains as long a there is educational value to the forum readers.

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

This thread is a waste of time unless names are given. Until then, Mr.Raby is just dragging people along promoting his own business and installing fear in others.

LOL! Three engines in under 80k...when your ims goes, you'll be on the phone with Jake, asking for advice and help (like I was).

I had the chance to visit Dr. jakes' lab, and meet him - a better gentleman you will be hard pressed to find anywhere.

[blinkwatt]

LOL! Three engines in under 80k...when your ims goes, you'll be on the phone with Jake, asking for advice and help (like I was).

Nope, IF(not when) my IMS fails or whatever else could happen to cause the engine to fail I'm selling my Boxster as a roller. Then moving to a late model c5 z06.

I have no doubt that Jake Raby can do good work on these cars and he is a nice fellow but some of these failures especially the lifters, no other mechanic that I know of that works on Porsches has even said this was ever an issue. It seems like every engine Jake works on has 15-20 bad lifters....by 60k....

I have no doubt that in your mind, someone would create a story like this to drum up business (if I'm not mistaken, you were the kid who attempted to sell your car to a member two days after detailing the amount of abuse and reckless driving you did).

I also have no doubt, that you are the kind of person who would only question a former Marines honor and integrity from the safety of your keyboard.

Someone great once said, it is far better to leave your mouth closed, and have your peers wonder if you are ignorant, than open your mouth, and remove all doubt.

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

[I] I know of that works on Porsches has even said this was ever an issue. It seems like every engine Jake works on has 15-20 bad lifters....by 60k....

[Jake Raby]

Unfortunately very few technicians have disassembled the M96 to the point of ever touching a lifter. This is the reason why most of the modes of engine failure that these engines have experienced have taken so long to be thoroughly understood and remedied.

There is another group of Porsche technicians that have never worked with Hydraulic lifters, because of Porsche's lack of their use for so many years. Some of these people wouldn't know a good lifter from a bad one if they had one of each in their hands.

Because of this people have reassembled engines having never checked for bad lifters. Only the worst of lifter failures make any sort of noise at all, and the result is lower power or a loss of MPG. Because of this and the fact that most Boxster owners have only driven their own cars and have no idea if they have lower power because the car is still fast.

It seems the group that haven't seen any bad lifters or the other issues are the same group that condemned us and called us "stupid" for working on this engine a few years ago. They stated that "no money could be made repairing the engines because a new replacement was so cheap".. So now that the tables have turned they seem to feel inclined to say that the issues don't exist; but they can't because they were busy being "smart" and swapping engines out while we were addressing the issues.

More than likely if we didn't have so much interface with the engines that come in and are taken apart as cores I would have never realized that the lifter issues were so widespread.

As far as using this thread for the benefit of my company:
Some people deny that any issue occurs and they don't want anyone to tell them that there is anything that is ever going to happen to their engine. The last person they want to remind them of these things is one of the guys that is heading up the development of the engines.

I have been fighting this issue and the fact that a certain group of people do not feel that ANY professional should ever engage in activity within a forum like this one. People have said the same thing that blinkwatt has said for 15 years, but the funny thing is they never complain when I decide to give away free information via the forums.

The issues with the engine is real.. a few years ago you never heard of IMS failures because not enough of them had occurred yet. In a few years the lifter situation will be similar and you'll be able to say that you read all about it here on 986forum first.

Today a very small percentage of Porsche Technicians have done anything to an M96 more invasive than a cam cover re-seal. How can these people challenge anything within the engine? They have no direct experience with the engineThe bad part of trying to share knowledge and information about anything on the internet is the fact that some people will get pissed off, call us fear mongers and etc. If I piss off a few people along the way, but end up saving a slew of engines I consider that an fair trade off.

I learned long ago that not everyone can be pleased and the biggest mistake that anyone can make is TRYING to please everyone.

Some people will tell you exactly what they know you want to hear- You'll never get that from me.

Don't shoot the messenger.. If you want to be pissed off at someone call Germany.

BTW- I only posted this thread after my inbox was filled up FIVE TIMES with messages from people wanting to know what was going on with the "Phantom".. I got so tired of it that I left my inbox full and it remains that way now!

A follow up to the story will be posted on my site after everything is a matter of public record and has been wrapped up..

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by Fred Demara

I have no doubt that in your mind, someone would create a story like this to drum up business (if I'm not mistaken, you were the kid who attempted to sell your car to a member two days after detailing the amount of abuse and reckless driving you did).

I also have no doubt, that you are the kind of person who would only question a former Marines honor and integrity from the safety of your keyboard.

Someone great once said, it is far better to leave your mouth closed, and have your peers wonder if you are ignorant, than open your mouth, and remove all doubt.

I have no doubt that Jake offers a great product but let's leave the Marines out of this

I too have wondered a little about SOME of the claims of the phantom story myself. Especially the heads not being torqued yet the car was driven hard for a couple days.

If I am not mistaken when Jake first started mentioning the lifter issue he pretty much insinuated this was a Mobil 1 oil problem and most cars using it will be affected.

He even went so far as to bet someone that he bring in his car and if it DIDNT have 20 ( dont remember the exact number ) bad lifters they wouldnt pay for having them replaced.

Something along those lines.

Originally Posted by gRed04

I have no doubt that Jake offers a great product but let's leave the Marines out of this

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it's relevant..They don't hand out awards for honor and integrity to people who make up stories

[blinkwatt]

I have no doubt that in your mind, someone would create a story like this to drum up business (if I'm not mistaken, you were the kid who attempted to sell your car to a member two days after detailing the amount of abuse and reckless driving you did).

I drive my car how I want. It's my car. I drive to up and down CA in my ride several times a year without hiccup or 2nd thought. As for me 'abusing' my car.....cry all you'd like. I've let another forum member whip my car around without even thinking about it. Sorry that enjoying my car offends you. I'm just open about how my car is driven,as long as it's up to par on tune ups and oil changes it will be fine.

I also have no doubt, that you are the kind of person who would only question a former Marines honor and integrity from the safety of your keyboard.

I bet your right,ask a bunch of the forum members who know me in real life.

Someone great once said, it is far better to leave your mouth closed, and have your peers wonder if you are ignorant, than open your mouth, and remove all doubt.


Perhaps you should have kept your mouth shut then.

[Brucelee]

Perhaps when this is all said and done, Jake can provide a summary for our benefit.

Thanks to all who contributed.