Hope & Change With New Congress

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by extanker

the new powers to be promised to get rid of the obama care asap....now the fng,s are claiming not until 2013......boy are they fast liars oooppps learners

They don't have the votes in the Senate. However, they can stop funding different pieces of it from the House side.

Lets see how they do this. I do believe they will bring it to a vote in the House, if only for symbolic reasons. It would be good to have a bill come out of the House that the Senate refuses to pass. Keep shoving it in the Dems face.

[extanker]

symbolic reasons....what a way to run a railroad.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by extanker

symbolic reasons....what a way to run a railroad.

I don;t think the House gets to rewrite the Constitution. The rules require two or three to tango.

That is the way it is!

[tonycarreon]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

I don;t think the House gets to rewrite the Constitution. The rules require two or three to tango.

That is the way it is!

Technically, the Constitution can not be re-written, only modified. To do so would require a vote in the affirmative by 2/3 of each house, then 3/4 of the States OR 2/3 of the State's Legislative bodies have to request a Constitutional Convention and 3/4 of the States then have to approve. Therefore, it always takes three to tango - the House, the Senate and the States.

Interestingly, especially given the constant "Obama is rewriting the Constitution" rhetoric, the President has no role in amending the Constitution.

[extanker]

maybe not rewritten but updated.....i know it was written by a bunch of guys in a tavern so i understand that. or they had a sense of humor and wanted to break chops. didnt they think there would be a problem with "we the people". i think some words need to be defined more clearly.....i meant to say "the right of the people.....my bad wrong doc

[Lordblood]

Honestly, I'm expecting more of the same. While the Democrats "controlled" the Senate and the House before, they didn't have 60 candidates so the Republicans filibustered EVERYTHING the Democrats wanted to do. Nothing really got done, health care was filled with nonsense and compromise to get a couple of Republican votes, finance reform was rubbish. The tax cut debate was just a smearing campaign. Now everything the Republicans get passed through the house and senate will just get vetoed by Obama, unless he compromises as he promised.

I'm not opposed to seeing any one ideology be tested, because I don't think even the best economists can tell you truly if Keynsian economics will work any better than Smithian economics, or vice versa. We all believe one is better than the other, but belief is not proof, it is assumption.

Personally, I think Keynes is the way to go. While we can sit back and let the Economy fix itself, I'd much rather have everyone pitch in and contribute money towards infrastructure and education to not only try and fix the economy, but invest in the future as well. Of course where and how much we spend is up to debate, but I believe that at least the notion of trying is right.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Lordblood

Honestly, I'm expecting more of the same. While the Democrats "controlled" the Senate and the House before, they didn't have 60 candidates so the Republicans filibustered EVERYTHING the Democrats wanted to do. Nothing really got done, health care was filled with nonsense and compromise to get a couple of Republican votes, finance reform was rubbish. The tax cut debate was just a smearing campaign. Now everything the Republicans get passed through the house and senate will just get vetoed by Obama, unless he compromises as he promised.

I'm not opposed to seeing any one ideology be tested, because I don't think even the best economists can tell you truly if Keynsian economics will work any better than Smithian economics, or vice versa. We all believe one is better than the other, but belief is not proof, it is assumption.

Personally, I think Keynes is the way to go. While we can sit back and let the Economy fix itself, I'd much rather have everyone pitch in and contribute money towards infrastructure and education to not only try and fix the economy, but invest in the future as well. Of course where and how much we spend is up to debate, but I believe that at least the notion of trying is right.

"managing the economy is a myth. It is, what it is.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by tonycarreon

Technically, the Constitution can not be re-written, only modified. To do so would require a vote in the affirmative by 2/3 of each house, then 3/4 of the States OR 2/3 of the State's Legislative bodies have to request a Constitutional Convention and 3/4 of the States then have to approve. Therefore, it always takes three to tango - the House, the Senate and the States.

Interestingly, especially given the constant "Obama is rewriting the Constitution" rhetoric, the President has no role in amending the Constitution.

I have NO doubt in my mind that progressives would LOVE to rewrite the Constitution without having to go to the trouble that you describe. This is why FDR tried to pack the SC so many years ago.

Intellectuals view the Constitution as an annoyance, to be dealt with as they see fit.

Some of us feel differently.