07-01-2012, 04:10 PM
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My First Track Day....Video Link Inside
Hello Everyone,
I took the plunge and attended my first track day at BIR on June 29, 2012 and now I Am signed up for the August 6th track day also. The instructors and staff were SUPER.
I have a 2003 Boxster base with the 2.7L. Below is a list of things I did in prepping for my first track day:
New front rotors
New EBC Yellow Stuff track pads (front only)
Flushed and filled with ATE Super Blue brake fluid
New Hankook Ventus V12 Evo K110 tires (700 miles on them by track time)
Desnorkle
Crios muffler mod
Fresh NGK Iridium spark plugs
Fresh Mobil one 10W40 Synthetic
After spending the morning driving with instructors, I spent the afternoon on my own and reported back to my instructor to discuss issues after each session. Air temp in the afternoon was 87 degrees and very humid. I had to run with all windows up and air conditioning on. Below is a Youtube link to my fifth session. Most of the other novices were off the track to take a break from the heat. There were just a few of the BIR purpose built Spec cars on the track so I felt more comfortable during this session.
First track day late afternoon session - YouTube
I would welcome any and all constructive critique or questions. Thanks in advance.
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07-01-2012, 05:03 PM
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Ok, I am calling total bull**************** on this. You were flying with the same car that I have, a 2.7 L. Not possible. There is no way you were passing full race cars cars with 3 or 4 times the HP and grip that we have.
Did you possibly link to the wrong vid?
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07-01-2012, 05:14 PM
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If you look at my lap time via the video time counter, it was not at all impressive. My best lap was about 2:12 second on the day.
Those Spec cars were driven by novices that came to the school. There was a 55 year old woman driving one of them.
I have my first solo run without an instructor posted on Youtube also. My times were horrendous at 2:25+ during that session. As I got more comfortable, I was able to brake later and hit the markers (guide cones) much better and my times improved. I have no reason to post a lie. I'm just looking for input like you did a short while back when you posted your experience.
Again, those were novices in those BIR Spec cars. Those cars could handily pound on my Boxster in the right hands.
Here's a link to my first solo attempt: BIR - My First Solo Run - YouTube
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07-01-2012, 05:07 PM
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First track day late afternoon session - YouTube
I would welcome any and all constructive critique or questions. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
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Nice video, everything looked smooth. Some of your turn ins might have been a bit early but no large errors. How were the brakes?
One question on the camera--your Elph HS 300 worked well. What kind of mount did you use?
I've got an Elph 100HS and my videos have been fuzzy at various resolutions--like it was going in and out of focus. I've been forced to use an old camera--Canon A540--because the video on the elph is pretty much unwatchable even with a solid mount. What kind of settings on the camera are you using when recording? Resolution/tracking/ stabilization..????
Would appreciate an suggestions on getting my Elph 100 providing better in-car video.
Here's a link to a couple of mine in car videos using the A540; the WG video was with a loose chase cam mount which I fixedby taking out the extension.
MidOHRR0519002short - YouTube
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07-01-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MikenOH
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Nice video, everything looked smooth. Some of your turn ins might have been a bit early but no large errors. How were the brakes?
One question on the camera--your Elph HS 300 worked well. What kind of mount did you use?
I've got an Elph 100HS and my videos have been fuzzy at various resolutions--like it was going in and out of focus. I've been forced to use an old camera--Canon A540--because the video on the elph is pretty much unwatchable even with a solid mount. What kind of settings on the camera are you using when recording? Resolution/tracking/ stabilization..????
Would appreciate an suggestions on getting my Elph 100 providing better in-car video.
Here's a link to a couple of mine in car videos using the A540; the WG video was with a loose chase cam mount which I fixedby taking out the extension.
MidOHRR0519002short - YouTube[/QUOTE]
The EBC pads were awesome. Absolutely no fade.
My Cannon Elph 300 was purchased on sale at Best Buy for $130. It has high def video and image stabilization. I used a Gorilla Pod mount. It has three goofy legs that I used to wrap around my rear view mirror. The draw back is the video is up side down and you have to turn it using MS Movie Maker. I have my setting at 1080p which is too much as it would only allow 11 minute clips at a time. I'll do lower resolutions in August.
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07-01-2012, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Boxster586
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Nice video, everything looked smooth. Some of your turn ins might have been a bit early but no large errors. How were the brakes?
One question on the camera--your Elph HS 300 worked well. What kind of mount did you use?
I've got an Elph 100HS and my videos have been fuzzy at various resolutions--like it was going in and out of focus. I've been forced to use an old camera--Canon A540--because the video on the elph is pretty much unwatchable even with a solid mount. What kind of settings on the camera are you using when recording? Resolution/tracking/ stabilization..????
Would appreciate an suggestions on getting my Elph 100 providing better in-car video.
Here's a link to a couple of mine in car videos using the A540; the WG video was with a loose chase cam mount which I fixedby taking out the extension.
MidOHRR0519002short - YouTube
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The EBC pads were awesome. Absolutely no fade.
My Cannon Elph 300 was purchased on sale at Best Buy for $130. It has high def video and image stabilization. I used a Gorilla Pod mount. It has three goofy legs that I used to wrap around my rear view mirror. The draw back is the video is up side down and you have to turn it using MS Movie Maker. I have my setting at 1080p which is too much as it would only allow 11 minute clips at a time. I'll do lower resolutions in August.[/QUOTE]
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It's wrapped around your rear view mirror? Wow--the guys in tech didn't have a problem with that?
Did you leave it on auto or did you dabble with the settings?
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07-01-2012, 06:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikenOH
The EBC pads were awesome. Absolutely no fade.
My Cannon Elph 300 was purchased on sale at Best Buy for $130. It has high def video and image stabilization. I used a Gorilla Pod mount. It has three goofy legs that I used to wrap around my rear view mirror. The draw back is the video is up side down and you have to turn it using MS Movie Maker. I have my setting at 1080p which is too much as it would only allow 11 minute clips at a time. I'll do lower resolutions in August.
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It's wrapped around your rear view mirror? Wow--the guys in tech didn't have a problem with that?
Did you leave it on auto or did you dabble with the settings?[/QUOTE]
There wasn't a tech inspection. The instructor saw it and didn't say anything. They did make us take everything else out including the floor mats and the glove compartment contents.
The camera was set to auto. It's a great little camera, IMO.
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07-01-2012, 05:18 PM
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Again, spectacular driving, but I can't believe that the first time you were on the track, you passed everyone so decisively, and were never passed.
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07-01-2012, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by san rensho
Again, spectacular driving, but I can't believe that the first time you were on the track, you passed everyone so decisively, and were never passed.
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They were absolutely very slow bro. I'm not pulling your leg. If you don't believe me, watch the other video where I could not pass the Chumpcar ($500 GTI) race car.
Again, I got very comfortable in the afternoon because I pretty much knew where & when the rear tires will break loose and stayed on that limit. You can tell where I went past the limit and it broke loose near the end of the video when I had to let off and get back on the gas really quick.
Your unbelieving comments are stoking my ego right now......THANKS
What year is your Boxster?
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07-01-2012, 05:58 PM
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Ok. I apologize. I saw those spec race cars and said, no way this guy is this fast, especially on a first track day when its usually forbidden to pass in the corners.
So like I said before, great driving, you were hitting the apexes very well and then getting back on the gas. Once or twice you started to skid but were able to recover with no drama. Good work.
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1989 (?) Alfa Romeo Milano
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07-01-2012, 06:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by san rensho
Ok. I apologize. I saw those spec race cars and said, no way this guy is this fast, especially on a first track day when its usually forbidden to pass in the corners.
So like I said before, great driving, you were hitting the apexes very well and then getting back on the gas. Once or twice you started to skid but were able to recover with no drama. Good work.
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Thanks bud. I didn't post the video where I came out of turn 13 too fast (after the bridge) and drove in the grass for a short bit
I was in the novice group and there were only two passing zone. The one after the bridge is the easiest place to pass so that's where I made the passes.
At BIR, you are a novice for the first two track days and then you MAY move up to the intermediate group IF you'd like.
My shifting still sucks. At times, I did not shift until I've already entered the corners. I also need to learn/practice heel toe shifting!
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07-02-2012, 08:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxster586
Thanks bud. I didn't post the video where I came out of turn 13 too fast (after the bridge) and drove in the grass for a short bit
I was in the novice group and there were only two passing zone. The one after the bridge is the easiest place to pass so that's where I made the passes.
At BIR, you are a novice for the first two track days and then you MAY move up to the intermediate group IF you'd like.
My shifting still sucks. At times, I did not shift until I've already entered the corners. I also need to learn/practice heel toe shifting!
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Just as a suggestion regarding the video, I use it to check my lines, where I am on the turn in and how smooth my steering inputs are.
If you turn the camera on your self occasionally, or move it back between the seats--I have mine mounted on the roll bar--you can record your steering inputs and get a feel for how smooth you are. Smooth steering inputs--same for brakes and gas--make a big difference on how settled the car is at any one moment, especially in the curves.
Finally, think about a data logger (smartphone), GPS receiver and a program to record track data--I use Race Chrono. You can compare your lap times and actually retrace your lap to see where you were on the course, what your speed was and where your breaking point was; I went back through a session and compared laps with similar times but found different lines through a curve/sector and found out just how much more time I was loosing or gaining by taking a particular line. A great educational tool.
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Last edited by MikenOH; 07-02-2012 at 08:48 AM.
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07-02-2012, 09:52 AM
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MikenOH,
That is SUPER advice. I will do that for my August 6 track day.
Thank you.
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07-02-2012, 02:01 PM
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The data logger setup was a cheap investment:
1 MOT Q9c that I no longer used as a phone
1 Qstarz 818xt gps receiver--$70
1 Race Chrono software----free
The GPS receiver and phone communicate via a bluetooth connection; supposedly there are OBDII readers out there that will work with the Porsche ECM to pull in engine data to this mix.
To do the data overlay on the video I bought a program on line for $25--race render--which is a simple plug and play setup to match your video with the track data; very simple to synchronize and I highly recommend it.
Putting all that technical stuff aside, it's critical to remember that we're all out there for fun, not making our living at this so we need to be courteous drivers--giving and taking point overs when needed and not letting our egos get in the way of having of having a good time.
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Last edited by MikenOH; 07-02-2012 at 02:04 PM.
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07-03-2012, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Boxster586
I would welcome any and all constructive critique or questions. Thanks in advance.
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Very nice smooth laps, good tire loading and generally good racing line.
Suggestions for next time:
*Be patient and drive your own line when behind a slower car in a no-passing zone. Those guys in the "track cars" were driving down the middle of the road and I was truly embarrassed for them  . It's a good time to cool down your brakes.
*I am never real comfortable sharing a corner with a novice driver I don't know who clearly doesn't know the racing line. Too much opportunity for paint swapping. In this case I prefer to get my passing done in the straights. Food for thought.
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08-03-2012, 04:27 PM
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586, hope the car runs great and remember to have fun. And be sure to post up some more video for us!
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08-03-2012, 04:46 PM
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586, hope the car runs great and remember to have fun. And be sure to post up some more video for us!
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Thank you. I can pretty much guarantee that I will have fun. I'll do my best in capturing videos of the sessions.
I do have a question though. After a track day, did you find that the wear on your tires sometimes make them go out of balance and therefore you have to re-balance them. I have a slight vibration and will do a road force balance on the front tires in the morning.
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08-03-2012, 05:41 PM
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The balance weights probably fell off because the glue melted due to the heat. Be sure to use metallic duct tape to tape over the weights on before a track day.
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1989 (?) Alfa Romeo Milano
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08-03-2012, 06:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by san rensho
The balance weights probably fell off because the glue melted due to the heat. Be sure to use metallic duct tape to tape over the weights on before a track day.
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Thank you. I'll try it.
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