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7 pm addition: After reading about the travails of pressing a new rubber bushing into an existing engine mount, I think I'll just save time and grief by buying a whole new mount with bushing already installed, seeing as how they're fairly reasonably priced. |
Engine swaps
These guys have a great reputation for rebuilt engines.
https://www.amsporsche.com/ Looking at a 3.4 fully rebuilt. $13,300 shipped to the US |
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Nevertheless, it'll be pretty great to have a zero-time engine behind you, so more power to you. Literally. |
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Still haven't made a decision about which IMS bearing to install in the new engine, but I noted that LN's prices for their ceramic-bearing Retrofits have been reduced from $999 to $799. And apparently they supply new flanges with the bearings. Anyone know why this is? I had assumed the existing flange would be usable. At any rate, LN's pricing is headed in the right direction.
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https://lnengineering.com/sale.html EDIT (can’t delete) - not the same items you are look8ng at. |
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A little late to the party on this thread, but this JFP gem made my week. |
Well, JFP is a treasure!
Now if he could work his magic on my Cayenne Turbo... |
Had a chance to ride shotgun to Safeway and back in a 718, a 2021* model. No denying it, it was a lovely machine. As well it should be, considering it had an $90K+ price tag in '21. The interior made my humble 986 look positively spartan. One thing I noticed right off the bat was the exhaust note. There's something about the sound of the 986's naturally aspirated flat six. It's music to the ears. The 718's turbo-charged four sounded refined and almost polite. And truth be told, I really don't think the stylings of the later-model Boxsters were an improvement over Grant Larson's exterior design for the 986. The 718's jutting, angular front-end treatment and trick taillights are wrong notes in a symphony. I did not share these opinions with the guy who owned the 718.
Back to the question of which IMS bearing will replace the one in the new engine. After thoroughly exploring alternatives, I've made a decision, and here's how it came about. First, I considered a stock bearing with steel balls, either an OEM bearing or one such as this from 123Bearing (https://www.123bearing.com/bearing-housing/deep-groove-bearing/double-row/bd20-17-a-ddua17nx01-nsk#container-tech-schema). In either case, I would have removed the outer seal so that oil from the sump could lubricate it, and hoped for the best. The price is certainly right, especially 123Bearing's. But I kept coming back to LN Engineering's hybrid-ceramic IMS Retrofit. Here's what LN has to say about their product: "The IMS Retrofit uses an open bearing (no grease seal), [to] allow engine oil to freely enter and exit the bearing. The ceramic hybrid bearing used in all IMS Retrofit kits require minimal oiling, far exceeded by oil in the engine’s 'integrated dry sump.'" [Emphasis mine] LN also stated: "Forced oiling of a ball or roller IMS bearing does not provide any benefit as the bearing does not require or benefit from additional oil. Lubrication alone is not the problem." [Emphasis mine] LN sold me on the Retrofit, although in so doing they eliminated from my consideration their expensive, forced-oiling IMS Solution. (That, and the fact that they priced it out of my reach. Even the Retrofit is pushing the boundary of my financial reach. In fact, it will have to wait until after Christmas.) Anyway, the hand wringing is at an end. I choose the Retrofit. Only one thing can make me reconsider: an email reply from 123Bearing that says, "We have decided your suggestion that we offer a reasonably priced ceramic-hybrid IMS bearing for the Porsche 986 has merit. We agree the product will sell like hotcakes, and therefore we are putting it into production without delay." *EDIT: I apparently misunderstood when 718 Guy told me the year of his car. He meant the 718 line was introduced in 2016, but his was a 2021. |
LoneWolfGal, I think you misunderstand the Solution.
It is a plain bearing as those on your crankshaft, so it certainly needs an oil feed! Any other replacement is still on the clock, and will need to be replaced periodically. I think LN even says this in the description. The "Solution" is supposed to be a permanent fix, which is obviously cheaper if you keep the car for a long time. I have purchased one, but my plan is to use the ball bearing version on the one I'm rebuilding now, and using the Solution for the next one which gets the Nickies treatment. |
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That is exactly the point.
They say the replacement is only good for a specific interval. From LN: Roller bearings, like ball bearings, will have service intervals, requiring future replacement, even if manufacturers claim otherwise. The only IMS replacement that is permanent and does not require future servicing is the IMS Solution which is based on the oil pressure fed plain bearing design used by Porsche for the Mezger engine's intermediate shaft. And: It is best practice to replace the IMS bearing as part of regular preventative maintenance. Depending on what bearing technology is used, service intervals can vary greatly, with the IMS Solution's oil fed plain IMS bearing is considered the best solution to prevent IMS bearing failures. Personally, I prefer one and done. I'm deep enough in this engine that I do not wish to be doing this work again on a regular basis. |
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You say you put nickies and you have a lot invested in your engine so the solution is the perfect choice for you. But that doesn't mean it's the perfect choice for everybody. I think LoneWolfGal did her research, she fully understands the options, and made the best choice for her. I will look forward to reading her updates on the project. |
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I've been studying a series of videos featuring Jake Raby, particularly one in which he demonstrates how to replace the IMS bearing and rear main seal. Raby is a fount of knowledge when it comes to Porsche engines, much of it esoteric. He mentioned in passing other parts that were candidates for replacement while the engine was out of the car:
oil pressure sending unit oil pressure sensor (same as previous?) fuel pressure regulator rollers for belt hose clamps release bearing air-oil separator (AOS) crankshaft position sensor positive crankcase ventilation conduits grounding strap VarioCam ramps timing chain cam chain guide ramps slave cylinder on transmission exhaust clamps His recommendations were for the 99,000-mile demo engine in the video. Given that my new engine has only 39,000 miles on it, I wasn't planning to replace many parts beyond the IMS bearing and probably the rear main seal. However, replacing some of the parts in Raby's list makes sense to me. I would greatly appreciate additional advice about this, with my engine's relatively low miles in mind. |
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