Light pole > Porsche

[super66]

yeah that would be greatly appreciated, but thats a quote so please don't miss the original....

also, I'm geographically challened in terms of California but this to me reads as African Americans can't afford to live in San Jose....not sure if San Jose is a high class area....

"African Americans... In SAN JOSE!!!! maybe they were Michael Jacksons house sitters."

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

[Adam]

Since we are making this thread about race, can somebody tell my why 85%+ of all people in prison are black when they represent a much smaller sect..maybe(10-15%) of our population? Is it the man? No sarcasm or disrespect here just a question.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Adam

Since we are making this thread about race, can somebody tell my why 85%+ of all people in prison are black when they represent a much smaller sect..maybe(10-15%) of our population? Is it the man? No sarcasm or disrespect here just a question.

I only have the federal statistics handy, and it would take a more work than I'm willing to do right now to get you the State and local numbers, but the simple explanation is that your percentages are waaaay off. Below are the actual Bureau of Prisons numbers, including every last prisoner as of November 26, 2006. You'll see that not only aren't blacks 85% of the Federal prison population, they aren't even close to the majority.

White 109,064 (56.4%)
Black 77,714 (40.2%)
Native Am. 3,342 ( 1.7%)
Asian 3,239 ( 1.7%)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

I only have the federal statistics handy, and it would take a more work than I'm willing to do right now to get you the State and local numbers, but the simple explanation is that your percentages are waaaay off. Below are the actual Bureau of Prisons numbers, including every last prisoner as of November 26, 2006. You'll see that not only aren't blacks 85% of the Federal prison population, they aren't even close to the majority.

White 109,064 (56.4%)
Black 77,714 (40.2%)
Native Am. 3,342 ( 1.7%)
Asian 3,239 ( 1.7%)

Whoa, I guess I was way off. I heard it was about 85% black on court tv or something if I remember correctly. Where is Latino in those figures?

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Adam

Whoa, I guess I was way off. I heard it was about 85% black on court tv or something if I remember correctly. Where is Latino in those figures?

Latino is an ethnicity, so the Latino population is shown as either black or white in the race figures. The Latino population is 60,745, or 31.4 % of the total Federal prison population.

[RandallNeighbour]

For what it's worth, I have found that most every ethnic group describes a less-than-ideal situation--when in the company of their own ethnic group--with identifying statements about the color or race of the person in that situation.

I have found myself doing it as well, and I have actually had numerous conversations with my wife over the course of the last 20 years wondering why people do this in general and why I do it in particular. I feel it is a personal character flaw I must work hard to correct today and in the future.

I do wish we were all color blind and we could just tell a story and say "this guy" or "a lady" and leave it at that... and if asked whether the man or woman was white or black or Asian or whatever, we would all have the presence of mind to say, "What does that have to do with anything?"

Of course, then we'd be accused of being sexist by telling the story about a man or a woman when we should have described it as "a person".

This is actually a good thread. It has made me once again review my own hidden prejudices and has set the stage for personal growth and additional change in this area.

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

I only have the federal statistics handy, and it would take a more work than I'm willing to do right now to get you the State and local numbers, but the simple explanation is that your percentages are waaaay off. Below are the actual Bureau of Prisons numbers, including every last prisoner as of November 26, 2006. You'll see that not only aren't blacks 85% of the Federal prison population, they aren't even close to the majority.

White 109,064 (56.4%)
Black 77,714 (40.2%)
Native Am. 3,342 ( 1.7%)
Asian 3,239 ( 1.7%)

( my apologies Grizzly just noticed you said Federal only )

I am pretty sure your numbers are way off. I believe we had approx. 2M people in state and federal prisons at the end of 2005. Another 2M in probation and work/release programs.

US Dept of Justice would have breakdowns by race, crime, state ....

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by gRed04

I am pretty sure your numbers are way off. I believe we had approx. 2M people in state and federal prisons at the end of 2005. Another 2M in probation and work/release programs.

US Dept of Justice would have breakdowns by race, crime, state ....

If you read what I wrote, you'll see that this is the Federal Prison Population Only. I can try to account for all 2+ million prisoners nationwide. The Federal numbers are what I have at my disposal.

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

If you read what I wrote, you'll see that this is the Federal Prison Population Only. I can try to account for all 2+ million prisoners nationwide. The Federal numbers are what I have at my disposal.

Caught that a little too late and apologized in a edit in my post.

[dbth]

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-01.htm

The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S. criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, 41 percent of people in jail.
One in three black men between the ages of 20 and 29 was either in jail or prison, or on parole or probation in 1995.One in ten black men in their twenties and early thirties is in prison or jail. Thirteen percent of the black adult male population has lost the right to vote because of felony disenfranchisement laws.

**

Hard to keep a family together when all the dads are in the joint....

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by gRed04

Caught that a little too late and apologized in a edit in my post.

You didn't owe me an apology, dude. We're just having a conversation.

By the way, the nationwide numbers pretty closely mimic the Federal prison numbers as far as percentages go. I found it in a PDF format, but I'm too stupid to be able to figure out how to copy it here. The long and short of it is that dbth's figures are right on the mark at approximately 41%. My only point was that it was not 85% of the prison population.

[Franco]

Thanks to somebody on this FORUM i discovered i was living in a communist country I just new my parents made a mistake when emigrating to CANADA (AMERICA).
Guess who the jerk is went on & on & on & on & on about the love for his EX country.
WHO STOPPED THAT HISTORIAN, NOBODY!
Be careful this is BAIT for all the jerks who think they know it all.

PS; And some forum members were disappointed they missed that stupid thread
Grow up.

[super66]

Originally Posted by Franco

Thanks to somebody on this FORUM i discovered i was living in a communist country I just new my parents made a mistake when emigrating to CANADA (AMERICA).
Guess who the jerk is went on & on & on & on & on about the love for his EX country.
WHO STOPPED THAT HISTORIAN, NOBODY!
Be careful this is BAIT for all the jerks who think they know it all.

PS; And some forum members were disappointed they missed that stupid thread
Grow up.

ah....yes and I thought I was done here....I stopped reading a lot of what that individual posts because much like in this post its rather rude....regardless of whether he is from that country or not....

I feel for Kronix, I never saw what got him kicked off but I saw a lot of the crap that was being spewed back and forth disrespecting Canada.....enough is enough

[Franco]

Originally Posted by super66

ah....yes and I thought I was done here....I stopped reading a lot of what that individual posts because much like in this post its rather rude....regardless of whether he is from that country or not....

I feel for Kronix, I never saw what got him kicked off but I saw a lot of the crap that was being spewed back and forth disrespecting Canada.....enough is enough

I'm cool thanks

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by super66

ah....yes and I thought I was done here....I stopped reading a lot of what that individual posts because much like in this post its rather rude....regardless of whether he is from that country or not....

I feel for Kronix, I never saw what got him kicked off but I saw a lot of the crap that was being spewed back and forth disrespecting Canada.....enough is enough

Again, for the record, Kronix was banned for his profanity laced PM to me and his direct threats to assault me if he hever saw me in person.

We don't really like it when the owner is threatened. It makes him testy!

Oh my, I think I am being called a jerk! One thing about Canadians is they never stop whining. It comes from being born in a country where everything is a big #2 to the US. Soon though you will be living in the country of Quebec so you will not be Canadian much longer. Once they frenchies take control of everything we will see how fast you head back to America.

And, by the way, Knoxnuts was kicked off for something completely unrelated to me. It was after he was kicked off that he returned to threaten and kill me for giving out honest information on Canadian culture.

Ok, todays joke:

An American, a Scot and a Canuk were in a terrible car accident. They were all brought to the same emergency room, but all three of them died before they arrived. Just as they were about to put the toe tag on the American, he stirred and opened his eyes. Astonished, the doctors and nurses present asked him what happened.

"Well," said the American, "I remember the crash, and then there was a beautiful light, and then the Canadian and the Scot and I were standing at the gates of heaven. St. Peter approached us and said that we were all too young to die, and that for a donation of $100, we could return to the earth."

He continued, " So of course, I pulled out my wallet and gave him the $100, and the next thing I knew I was back here."

"That's amazing!" said one of the doctors, "But what happened to the other two?"

"Last I saw them," replied the American, "the Scot was haggling over the price and the Canadian was waiting for the government to pay for his."

Originally Posted by Franco

Thanks to somebody on this FORUM i discovered i was living in a communist country I just new my parents made a mistake when emigrating to CANADA (AMERICA).
Guess who the jerk is went on & on & on & on & on about the love for his EX country.
WHO STOPPED THAT HISTORIAN, NOBODY!
Be careful this is BAIT for all the jerks who think they know it all.

PS; And some forum members were disappointed they missed that stupid thread
Grow up.

[vijen6]

Wow .. wtf did I start here .. LOL .. I was using the term 'African American' to be politically correct. My fault I guess. Haha.

I was driving along on a flat road, and this big SUV rolls up behind me. I didn't really notice though, because I was just cruising, top down, with my music on. Light turns green, I start to get going, then they honked at me. I figure ok .. whatever .. they want me to go faster .. so I switch over to the open lane and went off .. I guess the SUV was still stuck in traffic.

Next light, I looked back and they were about 4 cars back behind me in the left lane. Whatever. Light turns green again, I took off normally. They cut off 2 - 3 cars across 3 lanes to get on my right side, and caught up to me quick since I was just going speed limit. Driver started to yell at me. Pull your car over. Pull over NOW! Screaming. I asked him why? He screamed out again, you hit my car. Pull over NOW.

I was thinking WTF. When did I hit his car? No bump, no whatever. So I replied and said I didn't hit your car. Then the driver swerved trying to bump me off the road while his passengers kept screaming at me to pull over. I almost pulled over, but then I saw the guy in the back reach down and pull something out. Got only a quick look but it looked like a chrome gun to me.

My mind started going into panic mode.

Situation: 4 angry 'african american' dressed in 'gangster thug' style road raging. Trying to run me off the road. Possible gun in the back. I'm by myself. **************** that.

I downshifted and took off. Racing down Aborn (45 speed limit) at about 120 (stupid .. i know) . Lost them about 20-30 cars behind me, I braked hard and made a left turn. Then hard again to the right. Since I know the area pretty well, I figure I'll lose them. Keep in mind, my brain was still in panic mode trying to avoid getting shot. I smoked my brakes again into two other right turns trying to swing back on Aborn. I guess at the next turn, my brakes were at their limit because it BARELY slowed my car down at all. I was going about 15mph too fast for the turn and swiped my right side against a light pole.

Seeing how I was out in the open street, I was scared that those guy were still chasing me, looking for me, so I hobbled the car into a side street and just went into someone's covered parking space to hide. Then ran two houses down and jumped the fence into the guys yard. I immediately called 911 and told them where I was, and that I think 4 guys with gun was trying to kill me. While waiting for the police to come, I peaked out to the main street and saw the black SUV driving by, obviously still looking for me. If I had left my car at the scene of the accident, then 100% sure the SUV would have found the car and maybe me too.

It took about 5 minutes for the police to get on scene. 4 squad cars came. I saw them and ran out waving my hand. I told them the whole story but 1/2 the police didn't believe me. They thought I was driving wreckless, hit my car, and now am trying to make up a story since they didn't see any suspicious black SUV when they came in. The ranking officer on scene sat on me on the sidewalk like I was a Mexican about to be deported. People drove by were staring. =T

They look at the accident and made some call then told me they were going to handle it as an accident. I hit the light pole, so it is an at fault accident, and I should deal with my insurance company. Then they called my parents to come pick me up and called a tow truck for the car and left. No police report. Didn't even take down my license. Wow. I guess thats police work for you.

Anyways, damage report:

My front bumper is smashed. Lithtronic I am not sure need to be replaced or not, but atleast the little corner light is smashed. Fender is scrapped. Front rim is cracked. Front and rear tires on the right side is torn. Control arm? was broken so that my rim was sitting on only struts. When I was at the shop the rim was at a 90% angle to the car?

Right now I am waiting for adjuster to come out and look at the damage. Hopefully they cover 100% - my deductable.

I think now is a good time to upgrade my bumper to the turbo look. Where is a good place to find GOOD fitting after market parts, or should I just go with stock OEM?

I like the bumper style here ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-GT-2-BODY-KIT-BUMPER-SKIRTS-N-SPOILER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36475QQihZ007QQ itemZ170058070610QQrdZ1 ), but it is Ebay, so I dont know if I am getting crap quality or not.

Anyone buy from these guys before?

Sorry for the long wait before I posted the story, but I am swamped with work this week. 60 hours of work + waiting for rides because my insurance have not given me a free rental yet.

Urgg .. I need a beer tonight. LOL

PS. I remember there was this website that listed all the bumper available for Boxsters, 911 and if it fitted. Cant seem to find it now. Anyone have the link?

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by super66

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

Well I for one also agree that several comments were out of line. That is assuming that we all do care for each other for more than the brand of car we drive.

Bruce, I do understand some of your frustration regarding the separation and preferential treatment that certain communities and groups continually push for and the rest of the country is all to willing to abide.

All for the sake of being politically correct. In this day and age it simply divides us further. If we are going to progress we are going to have to stop trying so hard to be different.

However, if we do care about each other than let's not hide behind "free expression" when we know it is not right.

“Do unto others as we would like others to do unto you”. Wise man once reminded us that.

Merry Christmas everyone.

[dbth]

Here's my take.

Racial stereotypes will always exist.Some of the stereotypes have some statistical proof.Others are due to fear , hatred or ignorance.

Different people have different cultures and are thus ARE different.
The answer to narrowing the cultural divide for people of color lies in education and a stronger family unit.

The cycle of poverty , drugs , teenage pregnancy , crime and incarceration is destroying a generation of young people.


While anyone can culturally assimilate to societal norms ,such as Brucelee's banker friend and be accepted, stereotypes won't be changed unless you actually meet the person.

We can't make up for the damage done by generations of hatred and ignorance. Political correctness has imposed a face to face pretense of respect to minorities.

But when white people cross the street when a group of black men walk down the street , does that make them racists or realists?

There are no easy answer to race relations.
But we can at least attempt to stop the disrespect of person based on the color of their skin.

[CJ_Boxster]

Originally Posted by super66

yeah that would be greatly appreciated, but thats a quote so please don't miss the original....

also, I'm geographically challened in terms of California but this to me reads as African Americans can't afford to live in San Jose....not sure if San Jose is a high class area....

"African Americans... In SAN JOSE!!!! maybe they were Michael Jacksons house sitters."

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

Why cant i make light of the subject of the geographical locations of where african americans may or may not live.

Im Spanish and Irish and I hear Black comedians make light of how many burritos I eat in a day, how many of my relatives live in one house,How any of us fit into a volkswagon beetle and how much I drink tequila and walk around in "chanklas" sandals. Loads and Loads of stereo types and im fine with it and they area funny too and i laugh at them.

But im sure your ok with racial jokes from black comedians because you have this guilt issue about slaverary so you let it slide, although you werent alive in that era. You probably feel the need to cry racisizm everytime you hear a black joke. Well I dont get offended when i hear irish or spanish/mexican jokes and neither should anyone else just as long as they arent hateful messages disguised as a joke.

By your definition of racisit, 85% of black comedians are racisit cause majority of black comedian material consists of making fun of other races... and they are funny as hell, ie: dave chappel... must be the black-KKK poster child by super66 definition of racisim!