Light pole > Porsche

[986Roadster]

thanks for the story bruce, i think you missed our point. being african american had nothing to do with the car being stolen. the smart ass comment posted by one of the members was useless. there was no joke here, the guy had his care stolen and smashed. all he could highlight is the fact that it was done by an african american. i think if someone commented about a german or irish, you would of reacted very differently. oh well. i don't think it made a difference if it was a black guy or a white guy. no need to comment.

[Grizzly]

The thing I find most unsettling, is that we've made an awful lot of assumptions here, but we have no idea what actually occurred. Many of us seem to be assuming that the car was stolen by "African-American" males and crashed. Was it? Or was the car struck by a Police cruiser? Did the car's owner swerve to avoid the action and strike the light pole himself? Did the Police hit the light pole and it in turn struck the Porsche? Were the "African-American" males suspects in some criminal act, or were they the victims? Were they fleeing the Police, or were the Police coming to assist them? For all we know they were innocent bystanders, completely devoid of any responsibility for what occurred. Some of us hear the words "African American males" and immediately assume the worst. That, my good friends, ain't right.

[super66]

Originally Posted by 986Roadster

thanks for the story bruce, i think you missed our point. being african american had nothing to do with the car being stolen. the smart ass comment posted by one of the members was useless. there was no joke here, the guy had his care stolen and smashed. all he could highlight is the fact that it was done by an african american. i think if someone commented about a german or irish, you would of reacted very differently. oh well. i don't think it made a difference if it was a black guy or a white guy. no need to comment.

agree again 986....

Bruce you could right and ramble for days, just don't align with MLK and then support the comments on the board as free expression....the point is to eliminate that form of thinking....your right, the color of someones skin shouldn't impact anything......but the comments on this thread are nothing but racist comments....

any justification that helps you sleep better is cool by me, you have a black banker, a mexican friend, whatever...cool....but like I said, thoses comments were not expressing anything but hate......but hey, leave them up, as Jeff said, people will just use it to consider us pompous and racist.....

but this really needs to go no further, at the very least the comments have stopped and thats a start....

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by super66

agree again 986....

Bruce you could right and ramble for days, just don't align with MLK and then support the comments on the board as free expression....the point is to eliminate that form of thinking....your right, the color of someones skin shouldn't impact anything......but the comments on this thread are nothing but racist comments....

any justification that helps you sleep better is cool by me, you have a black banker, a mexican friend, whatever...cool....but like I said, thoses comments were not expressing anything but hate......but hey, leave them up, as Jeff said, people will just use it to consider us pompous and racist.....

but this really needs to go no further, at the very least the comments have stopped and thats a start....

I don't need to justify anything and I sleep fine thanks. Nothing I wrote supports any racist comments in anyway.

Go back and read what I wrote, or don't.

[Brucelee]

Is this the "racist, hate filled" post that you guys want deleted?


I am sure they were just fine young men who wanted to possess something the white man stole from their ancestors. Thousands of years ago they were all kings and queens who probably had their own car very similar to today's Porsche.




Quote:


"Hummm African Americans involved in a crime..are you sure? according to Reverend Al they don't do such things, they just get bad press from the Po Po."

Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310

[super66]

yeah that would be greatly appreciated, but thats a quote so please don't miss the original....

also, I'm geographically challened in terms of California but this to me reads as African Americans can't afford to live in San Jose....not sure if San Jose is a high class area....

"African Americans... In SAN JOSE!!!! maybe they were Michael Jacksons house sitters."

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

[Adam]

Since we are making this thread about race, can somebody tell my why 85%+ of all people in prison are black when they represent a much smaller sect..maybe(10-15%) of our population? Is it the man? No sarcasm or disrespect here just a question.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Adam

Since we are making this thread about race, can somebody tell my why 85%+ of all people in prison are black when they represent a much smaller sect..maybe(10-15%) of our population? Is it the man? No sarcasm or disrespect here just a question.

I only have the federal statistics handy, and it would take a more work than I'm willing to do right now to get you the State and local numbers, but the simple explanation is that your percentages are waaaay off. Below are the actual Bureau of Prisons numbers, including every last prisoner as of November 26, 2006. You'll see that not only aren't blacks 85% of the Federal prison population, they aren't even close to the majority.

White 109,064 (56.4%)
Black 77,714 (40.2%)
Native Am. 3,342 ( 1.7%)
Asian 3,239 ( 1.7%)

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by super66

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

Well I for one also agree that several comments were out of line. That is assuming that we all do care for each other for more than the brand of car we drive.

Bruce, I do understand some of your frustration regarding the separation and preferential treatment that certain communities and groups continually push for and the rest of the country is all to willing to abide.

All for the sake of being politically correct. In this day and age it simply divides us further. If we are going to progress we are going to have to stop trying so hard to be different.

However, if we do care about each other than let's not hide behind "free expression" when we know it is not right.

“Do unto others as we would like others to do unto you”. Wise man once reminded us that.

Merry Christmas everyone.

[dbth]

Here's my take.

Racial stereotypes will always exist.Some of the stereotypes have some statistical proof.Others are due to fear , hatred or ignorance.

Different people have different cultures and are thus ARE different.
The answer to narrowing the cultural divide for people of color lies in education and a stronger family unit.

The cycle of poverty , drugs , teenage pregnancy , crime and incarceration is destroying a generation of young people.


While anyone can culturally assimilate to societal norms ,such as Brucelee's banker friend and be accepted, stereotypes won't be changed unless you actually meet the person.

We can't make up for the damage done by generations of hatred and ignorance. Political correctness has imposed a face to face pretense of respect to minorities.

But when white people cross the street when a group of black men walk down the street , does that make them racists or realists?

There are no easy answer to race relations.
But we can at least attempt to stop the disrespect of person based on the color of their skin.

[CJ_Boxster]

Originally Posted by super66

yeah that would be greatly appreciated, but thats a quote so please don't miss the original....

also, I'm geographically challened in terms of California but this to me reads as African Americans can't afford to live in San Jose....not sure if San Jose is a high class area....

"African Americans... In SAN JOSE!!!! maybe they were Michael Jacksons house sitters."

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

Why cant i make light of the subject of the geographical locations of where african americans may or may not live.

Im Spanish and Irish and I hear Black comedians make light of how many burritos I eat in a day, how many of my relatives live in one house,How any of us fit into a volkswagon beetle and how much I drink tequila and walk around in "chanklas" sandals. Loads and Loads of stereo types and im fine with it and they area funny too and i laugh at them.

But im sure your ok with racial jokes from black comedians because you have this guilt issue about slaverary so you let it slide, although you werent alive in that era. You probably feel the need to cry racisizm everytime you hear a black joke. Well I dont get offended when i hear irish or spanish/mexican jokes and neither should anyone else just as long as they arent hateful messages disguised as a joke.

By your definition of racisit, 85% of black comedians are racisit cause majority of black comedian material consists of making fun of other races... and they are funny as hell, ie: dave chappel... must be the black-KKK poster child by super66 definition of racisim!

[super66]

Originally Posted by CJ_Boxster

Why cant i make light of the subject of the geographical locations of where african americans may or may not live.

By your definition of racisit, 85% of black comedians are racisit cause majority of black comedian material consists of making fun of other races... and they are funny as hell, ie: dave chappel... must be the black-KKK poster child by super66 definition of racisim!

CJ, Carlos, you can make light of whatever you want and I figured as much you had some mexican in you. For your info I am 100% mexican. And reading my first post you'd see I am as big a fan of chapelle and mencia, and to borrow your term I think they are funny as hell too.....

now that said take the time to go read the posts, you really think those were jokes? you aren't seeing how many people are "fed" up woth politically correct? I mean at some point people thought that abolishing slavery was an absurd thought as well. In fact some people were probably fed up with the talks of abolishing slavery, about allowing blacks to be 1 person, not 3/5ths a person or 2/5ths, can you see I'm not that politcaly correct freak yet?

But dude, I'm not chillin with blinders. Think about it, we had someone here post a link to educate the members on how affirmative action does nothing more that allow minorities to be mediocore? hmmm.....do you no the upside? do you know the whole University of Michigan case with affirmitative action? look it up, its hysterical.....

do yourself a fav, search out eslai's post in this thread because he is spot on....like he said, he doesn't remember all the reasoning and arguments but the basis is there....you ever want to know more, PM me, I'll be happy to chat with you about it......just don't go with blinders, not sure if vijen is mexican, black, asian, who cares really, but I've seen cops, and mexicans aren't the only ones that sit on the curb when they get busted, know what I'm saying???

so with that said, I didn't have too much of a problem with vijens post, the ensuing comments yes, 2 in particular, considering some of the statements came from a member who degrades his very own people, I hardly doubt they were made in a joking matter....

Later bro....FYI, I'm a Carlos too.....well chuck, technicalities......