Adolf Hitler's Porsche for sale

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also supposedly the good Dr. Morell was pumping him full of amphetamines for a long time, which could lead to paranoia.

I like the Argie Mango stand theory best!

[Ronzi]

Not to beat a dead horse, but there are some interesting comments about the subject car on the web site noted below. Of particular interest are the ones by Colin Crabbe ...

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/02/auction-action-the-most-expensive-car-ever-hitlers-auto-uni

[Pilot2519j]

In all honesty many people were made to serve the german nazi machine. If any of you have lived under a totalitarian regime that controls your live totally, you would think otherwise. I lived under Castro's Cuba and I know the inducements for cooperation with the government. Try murder, assasination, gestapo spies in every block you are totally subjected to total control by just one word "fear" for you and your family. Porsche did what he had to do, same as Von Braun etc., I am sure in order to keep his family alive. This has happened in Russia, and all totalitarian countries. Nothing new. This is about to happen now to Venezuela.
As far as the car is concerned it is an object of engineering from the epoch and that in itself would be enough to have it exhibited as the Auto Union that raced in the thirties, not as Hitlers car. The Auto Union racer is worthy of MOMA like the XK-E is.

[Steve Fine]

So he deserved to do jail time! :

I hope he drives a Yugo in hell, and has to sit in a chair soiled personally by his fuerher.

The company he founded sure makes great cars, though.

[Pilot2519j]

Originally Posted by cartagena

I spent years in Cuba and other Latin countries before settling in Colombia. Castro does not need to use murder and assassination. When things get bad he just gives everyone cheap beer and they are happy. There is a saying in Cuba that goes like this "someday there will be change, but there is no way in hell that I will be the person who initiates it".

I would like to see Castro pushing up worms as much as anyone but he is no Hitler. It is like comparing Barney Fife to Einstein.

If I read this right you are making Cubans out to be idiots. Just like the US government dealt with the Indians here. Give them liquor and tabacco and rob their lands. You dont know the devil the way I knew him. He used to televise executions at lunchtime on TV and you tell me he did not assasinate or use murder to persuade the masses. His firing squads put many Cubans in their graves and his kangaroo cours send many others to Isla de Pino for 30 years during the revolution and after and to hear from from you " a foreigner( a disinterested observer) to tell me the guy is no Hitler is naive and disingenous". You probably lived in the houses we( exiles) used to own. As far as I am concerned no death is too good for him and his comite del barrios. In my book a murderer is a murderer whether it is one, one hundred thousand or millions. Like Hitler he destroyed the country robbed everyone and I am sure he has a nice Swiss account like a good commie.

No, I agree with everything you said about Fidel being a bad guy and the day he dies I will move back to Cuba. But he has survived for 47 years because the vast majority of Cubans have done NOTHING to stop him.

By the way, I deleted my post right after I wrote it but you responded too fast. I knew it was going to get long winded response that I have heard a million times. The fact of the matter is that the thousands of Cubans I have met over the years (on the island) have done nothing but complain about their condition without a single act of protest. If the Cubans do not think Cuba is worth fighting for, then do not expect anyone else.

Originally Posted by Pilot2519j

If I read this right you are making Cubans out to be idiots. Just like the US government dealt with the Indians here. Give them liquor and tabacco and rob their lands. You dont know the devil the way I knew him. He used to televise executions at lunchtime on TV and you tell me he did not assasinate or use murder to persuade the masses. His firing squads put many Cubans in their graves and his kangaroo cours send many others to Isla de Pino for 30 years during the revolution and after and to hear from from you " a foreigner( a disinterested observer) to tell me the guy is no Hitler is naive and disingenous". You probably lived in the houses we( exiles) used to own. As far as I am concerned no death is too good for him and his comite del barrios. In my book a murderer is a murderer whether it is one, one hundred thousand or millions. Like Hitler he destroyed the country robbed everyone and I am sure he has a nice Swiss account like a good commie.

[Pilot2519j]

Originally Posted by cartagena

No, I agree with everything you said about Fidel being a bad guy and the day he dies I will move back to Cuba. But he has survived for 47 years because the vast majority of Cubans have done NOTHING to stop him.

By the way, I deleted my post right after I wrote it but you responded too fast. I knew it was going to get long winded response that I have heard a million times. The fact of the matter is that the thousands of Cubans I have met over the years (on the island) have done nothing but complain about their condition without a single act of protest. If the Cubans do not think Cuba is worth fighting for, then do not expect anyone else.

Where do I begin after reading your post? Obviously you lack total historical data about Cuba which in this post you have gone from years to one winter in Cuba. So much for your veracity. It could be just ignorance or benign neglect that you are not aware of the facts. In 1961 the Playa of Giron invasion was a wake up call for the exiles when the US backed out of supplying air cover for the invaders. That is a fact and that the great President Kennedy like any good democrat put his tail between his legs and let the Cubans dry with no air cover. Adding insult to injury the US made a secret pact with the Russians of not letting any subversion or invasion of any sort to topple Castro in exchange for having the missiles withdrawn from Cuba. This promise or pact was kept until the USSR imploded. Fidel has protected himself from any demonstration by his comite de defensa del barrio. The function of the comites as trained by the East German Secret Police (Stassi) is to put away any dissident to Isla de Pino for as long as it takes to remold his political outlook. Naturally throw in an execution here and there that always works. There are no weapons that the population of Cuba has at their hands to start shooting since they were rounded up much before your stay in the winter of 1999. Geography works against any kind of subversion since Cuba is an island that is well guarded by the Castro regime. The only ones that get in are the drug runners from Colombia, Panama, Venezuela, Mexico as a layover to continue to the US with their cocaine and illegal drugs that are peddled here. I don't expect anything from anyone since most latin countries made great wealths by having Fidel there. Colombia got a slice of the sugar quota, Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Mexico , Puerto Rico all have benifited greatly by the tourism that Cuba used to get. There is no urgency or sympathy to assist any Cuban by any of those countries since they all profit by the situation staying the same. Cuba had the highest standard of living up to 1960 and was the envy of most South American countries. As far as your repartee about Cubans in general is naive. You might have been years " one winter in 1999" but you know nothing of Cuba, Cubans or anything about Cuba. I said what I had to say now, we can talk about the boxsters!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I feel good. I will let the "my friend" comment slide in the spirit of Christmas. Feliz Navidad amigo!

I said spent several years in Cuba and gave you one example of something that happened one winter. I did not say I only spent one winter there. I am sure though you realised that.

Anyway, a lot of what you said is true. You forgot though that Cubans never protest Fidel in Havana, never have strikes, never commit acts of terror against Fidel, never publish a secret newspaper, never vandalise anything, never organise themselves in Cuba or Miami, in fact, they never do just about anything. Even the French showed more cojones when taken over.

Imagine if a US president told the people "hey, by the way, I am a commie and from now on there is no more constitution because we are all now working for the Soviets!" He would not live more than 5 minutes no matter who he had on his side because the people would put an end to him one way or another. But 47 years? To die in his boots?

And one more thing, I have fired a handgun in Cuba. If a tourist can get a gun do not tell me there are no guns. The secret policeman who was suppose to be spying on the tourist was much more interested in going "deep undercover" and spent many a night drinking with me. More than once we went out shooting at trees and things after finishing off a bottle or two of Havana Club. Fidel only needs one bullet and someone with balls. I have seen the bullet...but....the balls?

Originally Posted by Pilot2519j

Where do I begin after reading your post? Obviously you lack total historical data about Cuba which in this post you have gone from years to one winter in Cuba. So much for your veracity. It could be just ignorance or benign neglect that you are not aware of the facts. In 1961 the Playa of Giron invasion was a wake up call for the exiles when the US backed out of supplying air cover for the invaders. That is a fact and that the great President Kennedy like any good democrat put his tail between his legs and let the Cubans dry with no air cover. Adding insult to injury the US made a secret pact with the Russians of not letting any subversion or invasion of any sort to topple Castro in exchange for having the missiles withdrawn from Cuba. This promise or pact was kept until the USSR imploded. Fidel has protected himself from any demonstration by his comite de defensa del barrio. The function of the comites as trained by the East German Secret Police (Stassi) is to put away any dissident to Isla de Pino for as long as it takes to remold his political outlook. Naturally throw in an execution here and there that always works. There are no weapons that the population of Cuba has at their hands to start shooting since they were rounded up much before your stay in the winter of 1999. Geography works against any kind of subversion since Cuba is an island that is well guarded by the Castro regime. The only ones that get in are the drug runners from Colombia, Panama, Venezuela, Mexico as a layover to continue to the US with their cocaine and illegal drugs that are peddled here. I don't expect anything from anyone since most latin countries made great wealths by having Fidel there. Colombia got a slice of the sugar quota, Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Mexico , Puerto Rico all have benifited greatly by the tourism that Cuba used to get. There is no urgency or sympathy to assist any Cuban by any of those countries since they all profit by the situation staying the same. Cuba had the highest standard of living up to 1960 and was the envy of most South American countries. As far as your repartee about Cubans in general is naive. You might have been years " one winter in 1999" but you know nothing of Cuba, Cubans or anything about Cuba. I said what I had to say now, we can talk about the boxsters!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I feel good. I will let the "my friend" comment slide in the spirit of Christmas. Feliz Navidad amigo!

By the way, I will explain what I mean about the beer comment. I spent the winter of 1999 in Cuba. I remember there were some food shortages in Cienfuegos. I do not know why but most stores had little or no food for about 2-3 weeks. So naturally everyone is going around complaining and asking Mr Tourista for $1, my friend.

I told the people asking for money that they should all go to Havana to complain about the situation. And naturally they expressed the usual Cuban line "no one can do that!" while complaining how much Cuba sucked.

Fidel must have smelled the discontent because a couple days later up drove the beer trucks. For the people reading who have never been to Cuba think of a large water tanker filled with flat beer for only 5 cents a cup.

The Cubans all came running out by the thousands and got drunk. They also all changed their tune and said how great Cuba was since they did not have to work and could get drunk.



[QUOTE=Pilot2519j]If I read this right you are making Cubans out to be idiots. Just like the US government dealt with the Indians here. Give them liquor and tabacco and rob their lands. QUOTE]