Driving it off the cliff

[Stl-986]

I am doing horrible with holding this one at 2k. My feet just can't get the feel for it.

Have 2 videos uploading right now

[Stl-986]

Here is the 1st one with the snap throttle.

https://youtu.be/IFBKNcp69X4

[Stl-986]

Here is the next one.

https://youtu.be/s5ZbH4Y-GD0

Really start watching around the 2:15 mark and let me know what else you notice besides the rpm & vac gauge.

[blue62]

In the snap throttle video I notice that your vacuum is down to about 13 in.hg at idle.
which is low vacuum
The needle acts sort of correct on snap throttle.
But vacuum is low
I also notice your spoiler light is on.

In the next video your gauge is now (around 1:15- 1:30) in the green at around 19 in.hg

I notice a needle tick several times when holding steady RPM those are probably due to misfires.
Toward the end of the vid I see the needle tick and a light flash on the dash.
But I can't tell if it is a CEL or an oil light.
And the spoiler light is still on

You may have some restriction in you exhaust. that can cause low vacuum at idle.
Also causes needle to slowly drop at idle or steady RPM
It can cause misfires because the cylinder cannot fill with fuel/air mixture correctly.

what do your post cat O-2sensor signals look like at idle???
Can you graph them with Durametric for a few minutes and post them???
put all 4 O2 signals up on one graph if you can with RPM

[Stl-986]

Keep in mind...I dont know what "normal" is or how the vacuum should be. With all the reading & video watching this weekend it just doesn't feel right that it should decrease like it does after going back to idle and I really dont want to tear my 03 apart comparing it against right now since it drives perfectly.

[Stl-986]

It's the oil light. It comes on, but only sometimes when coming off the throttle such as coming to a stop light. Oil level is correct (just changed the oil last weekend, 8.5qt) and even has a brand new level/temp sender. Only happens when coming off the throttle though.

Other thing...watch the lights dim when coming off throttle.

Yes, spoiler light on this car stays on until the car moves a few feet and then goes off. Always been that way. My 03 doesn't do that.

I'll get the o2 stuff in the morning. Do you know which values they are?

clogged cat could be the issue. Going to see if I can make adapters this week to fit the pressure gauge/vac gauge. If I can will see what pressure is before & after the 1st cat that is part of the header. I would just loosen the bolts between the header & muffler but those are ones I can't get off unless I'm going to cut them off.

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Stl-986

It's the oil light. It comes on, but only sometimes when coming off the throttle such as coming to a stop light. Oil level is correct (just changed the oil last weekend, 8.5qt) and even has a brand new level/temp sender. Only happens when coming off the throttle though.

Other thing...watch the lights dim when coming off throttle.

Yes, spoiler light on this car stays on until the car moves a few feet and then goes off. Always been that way. My 03 doesn't do that.

I'll get the o2 stuff in the morning. Do you know which values they are?

clogged cat could be the issue. Going to see if I can make adapters this week to fit the pressure gauge/vac gauge. If I can will see what pressure is before & after the 1st cat that is part of the header. I would just loosen the bolts between the header & muffler but those are ones I can't get off unless I'm going to cut them off.

How about I hook up my Durametric to my 2000S in the morning and then I let you know which values to graph.
It's cocktail time here

[ike84]

Originally Posted by Stl-986

It's the oil light. It comes on, but only sometimes when coming off the throttle such as coming to a stop light. Oil level is correct (just changed the oil last weekend, 8.5qt) and even has a brand new level/temp sender. Only happens when coming off the throttle though.

Other thing...watch the lights dim when coming off throttle.

Yes, spoiler light on this car stays on until the car moves a few feet and then goes off. Always been that way. My 03 doesn't do that.

I'll get the o2 stuff in the morning. Do you know which values they are?

clogged cat could be the issue. Going to see if I can make adapters this week to fit the pressure gauge/vac gauge. If I can will see what pressure is before & after the 1st cat that is part of the header. I would just loosen the bolts between the header & muffler but those are ones I can't get off unless I'm going to cut them off.

Sorry, i misread the post earlier, I thought it was 18 at idle I haven't gotten to watch any videos (everyone else asleep in the house) but the voltage and light dimming that youre describing is no bueno. Have you checked your alternator and battery? Im not sure how that would play in here but it's hard to tell with electronically controlled fuel injectors.

To measure the exhaust pressure, don't try to separate the joints. There are 18mm bung adapters to hook a pressure gauge to. The cheap way to do it would actually be just remove a sensor and leave them bung open - if that changes performance then you know you have a backpressure issue.

I didn't see if you responded earlier but what's the deal with your aos? Monty is right, the aos can actually kill your oil pressure if the failure is complete. All this could go together - bad aos, poor idle vacuum, intake flooded with oil, intake gasket degraded, fouled injectors causing lean running (? Maybe?), fouled spark plugs, clogged cats.

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[Stl-986]

Originally Posted by ike84

The cheap way to do it would actually be just remove a sensor and leave them bung open - if that changes performance then you know you have a backpressure issue.

I actually had this same thought about an hour ago. IF it doesn't throw any codes in the morning I am going to try and get it inspected. If that happens and it passes I will have some breathing room and can start to do things like this. Dont want an O2 code to come up if I can prevent it for the moment.

[Stl-986]

I get vacuum not building until the rpms increase, makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me is the vacuum dropping so much and so fast after though. It should hold or drop very very slowly right?

[911monty]

Jake Raby has a post somewhere that states there are different modes of failure of the AOS. One is the vacuuming of oil from the crankcase but there is also a mode that causes massive vacuum to the crankcase which can suck the shaft seals in and can cause oil starvation to the oil pump. With the oil pressure dropping low when coming off idle you might want to get a manometer and see what is happening there.

[Stl-986]

AOS is good, it's actually new oem one. dont get any smoke on startup

[ike84]

I was just thinkingore about your alternator...

A year ago the alternator on my wife's escalade went bad. The primary symptom was rough running at low rpm and then stall at idle. At higher rpms, everything was fine

It still doesn't explain the low vac at idle but just something (even more) to think about. Good luck with the emissions test!

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[Stl-986]

Here you go. Couple charts from a cold engine:





Without rpm - Easier to see just the voltages

[Stl-986]

And a few more:

[blue62]

Everything looks good to me with one possible exception.

In the third chart the post cat O2 sensor (green line) should be more like the yellow line.
More steady and above .450mv around .650-.750mv
"BUT" you did the test with a cold engine. The dips could also be from misfires or rise and fall of RPM.
So it could be fine.

When you get time you could test that post cat O2 sensor on bank 2 again as a follow up check or proof.
Do it after a good drive and at idle. you want a graph line more like the other post cat O2 sensor (yellow line)

You may also want to think about the alternator situation you brought up.
I had not thought about that.
Could very well be a factor in the misfire situation.

[Stl-986]

The alternator thing is just something that has stuck in my mind. It does make some sense. Electrical issues can be so weird at times, especially with noise. But it's also like trying to find a bad ground. Such a rabbit hole you could go down and still come to no conclusion.

I am going to pull bank 1 front o2 to see if it runs any better to see if cat is an issue.

It's back to running as bad as it did before. The only thing I have done is just let it run. Didn't touch anything else.

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Stl-986

The alternator thing is just something that has stuck in my mind. It does make some sense. Electrical issues can be so weird at times, especially with noise. But it's also like trying to find a bad ground. Such a rabbit hole you could go down and still come to no conclusion.

I am going to pull bank 1 front o2 to see if it runs any better to see if cat is an issue.

It's back to running as bad as it did before. The only thing I have done is just let it run. Didn't touch anything else.

At the least you could have the alternator tested.
Either remove it and take it in.
Or find a shop that will test it on the car.
Or find all the specs. and test it yourself with a mutimeter

[Stl-986]

Video from this morning. Car warmed up. Not sure how the audio will be from the gopro. I'm not even sitting in the car when I did this.

It is back to do exactly the same thing as before. Constant misfire on cyl 1-3 but I haven't touched a single thing since last evening when it was doing so much better & idling higher.

Cat test up next as soon as it cools enough some for me to get under it.

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Stl-986

Video from this morning. Car warmed up. Not sure how the audio will be from the gopro. I'm not even sitting in the car when I did this.

It is back to do exactly the same thing as before. Constant misfire on cyl 1-3 but I haven't touched a single thing since last evening when it was doing so much better & idling higher.

Cat test up next as soon as it cools enough some for me to get under it.

Interesting.
May be time to disconnect and block off the SAI which I think is just one vacuum hose connected to the intake plenum. easy to get to.
Also disconnect the EVAP system more of a PITA.
Just to see if doing that changes anything???

couple of question????
Have you recalibrated your E-gas pedal lately????
Also have you checked for exhaust leaks???

Exhaust leaks is where a smoke machine could be handy.
plug the tail pipes and the intake.
Insert the smoke into the tailpipe