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Old 04-09-2020, 09:31 AM   #1
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Here's my experience with PS2s, YMMV.

Both my 07 Cayman S and 08 Cayman S Sport came with PS2s. I bought both cars used and my comments apply to both so I won't have to keep saying both. The PS2s were junk on the track. They took at least a 1/2 lap to warm up, generally more. On the street, they rode rough. At that time, my 08 Box S LE was on Conti Contact 3s and you could def tell the difference in ride. I replaced the PS2s on my CSS with a set of Super Sports and it was a night / day difference in all categories.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised they continue to produce / sell PS2s.
Thanks for that. I appreciate the insight on your experience on the PS2. A few of the tire shops I called also said the same thing in that they would be "just okay" for light track use, like a few HPDE, but nothing like time attacks and club racing. Glad to know they ride rough on the street - This is where the MPSS was a real winner, but it's annoying they don't make it anymore.

Any experience with the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S?
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Old 04-09-2020, 07:17 PM   #2
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What about pilot sport as 3+. That's what I have on my car. They seem to ware well and I've never been in the ditch but I have nothing to compare them to.
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What about pilot sport as 3+. That's what I have on my car. They seem to ware well and I've never been in the ditch but I have nothing to compare them to.
I have the Michelin Pilot Sport AS3+ on my daily driver (2017 Toyota Corolla iM, precursor to the latest Corolla hatchback.)

My experience is limited to the street only and as a daily driver and grocery getter. I've had them for over a year and a bit and they've worn very well on a relatively tame alignment for the street (I don't recall the specs.) The car is lowered on a set of H&R springs and it hasn't accelerated wear in any way. It's not rough on the street and overall comfortable, but mind you, this is a Toyota Corolla, not a race prepped Boxster or 911 hot rod. If the intention is to run these on the track, I would steer you away from them because these are an all-season tire.

For comparison, the Corolla iM came with a set of Bridgestone Ecopia tires from the factory. They were really soft and meant to, well, make the ride comfortable, but the braking distance on them was terrible, especially in the rain. That's when I got rid of them and got a set of the Michelins.
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Old 04-10-2020, 02:34 PM   #4
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Any experience with the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S?
I haven't had a set of 4Ss but they always seem to get great reviews. At the time they came out, Conti had the DW but was ready to introduce their new tire called the Sport Contact. I've had a set of DW tires and Conti SportContacts. Both sets of Contis had issues with cupping. When the 4S and SportContact came out, they were taking aim at ea other. The 4S was supposed to be better in the rain than the MPSS, which was a DW strength, and the SportContact was supposed to have better cornering ablity than the DW and more like the MPSS.

Last summer I came across a smokin deal on some Yokohama Advan V105s. TireRack had them on sale for $585. Got Discount Tire to match them. Drove them at Indy and they were OK. They howled a lot in the corners. I'd made some changes to my lines from the yr before and I know I was faster in those sections but I never came close to my 2018 times. The only difference was my tires.

I bought a nice set of Bridgestone Potenza S007A tires for the 2014 Cayman S Wheeler Dealer car I sold last fall. Those tires had a great ride on the street but I never did any DEs with it. That tire was supposed to be the street / track tire in their line-up, which was their "middle tire". They offer a street tire, a street / track tire, and a track tire.

The only reason I haven't bought the 4Ss is because I'm on a bit of a fixed income at this time. Spending money on a premium tire that I'm going to wear out at the track isn't in my budget. If money is not object, you can't go wrong with the 4S. But keep in mind tires are very subjective and depend on what you want them to do - street driving, canyon carving, DE, rain, snow, etc. Each tire has it's own characteristics and might be right or wrong for what you want. The 4S seems to be great at all of them.
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Thanks for that. I appreciate the insight on your experience on the PS2. A few of the tire shops I called also said the same thing in that they would be "just okay" for light track use, like a few HPDE, but nothing like time attacks and club racing. Glad to know they ride rough on the street - This is where the MPSS was a real winner, but it's annoying they don't make it anymore.

Any experience with the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S?
I have them on my wife's Lexus F-sport 19", I like them fine, very comfortable, quiet,& handling is good too. The Michelin's on my Box are 5 years old, when I replace them I may get the 4s or sport's depends on price & time of year. I have worked at a few tire stores & never had any issues with Michelin's.
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