Did something stupid, please advise

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by boxsterz

WOW. I am astounded.

How in the world did you miss the 7.6% Molybdenum??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_molybdate ?
It' in BOTH the WW and the jelly.
Onward to the truth!!!!

Hi,

It is? It seems to me that Water Wetter's MSDS states that it contains Sodium Molybdate, an inorganic salt made up of 2 atoms of Sodium, one atom of Molybdenum and 4 atoms of Oxygen in it's anhydrous state (add .2H²O for it's dihydrous state) = Na2MoO4 or Na2MoO4 . H²O, rather than pure molybdenum (Mo).

If the alleged resultant gel was the product of the breakdown of this molecular compound, the % of molybdenum would be considerably lower since molybdenum makes up only 14% of this compound which constitutes only 2-10% of Water Wetter - we wou7ld expect amounts in the 1%-1.7% range . If there is more in the Spectral analysis, where did it come from? You cannot point only to the mere presence of Molybdenum and say "There you go..." - you need to validate the amount, especially if the analysis shows a greater quantity than is possible from your suspect additive. Where did all this excess Mo come from?

The Sodium (Na) (28% of the compound) is absent unless you want to make the case that it was transformed into Sodium Bicarbonate (Natrium - CAS# 144-55-8) if you can explain the process to me whereby the Sodium is not only released from the Na2MoO4, but also found the necessary Free Oxygen and Free Hydrogen to bond with.

Then, there is the presence of the other element - Potassium (Ka). It is present in a disturbingly large amount given the chemical makeup of your suspect substance - Water Wetter, which contains NONE - NADA, RIEN, NICHTS, ZILCH! Are you planning on totally ignoring this because it doesn't agree with your belief?

I am steadfast in my belief that you have inferred much, but proven nothing on your quest for Truth (at least the Truth as you see it).

FYI, I have emailed Red Line's Technical Department a 2nd time to repeat my initial request, but also fowarded an attached copy of the Spectral analysis as well. Hopefully they will respond shortly and put this to rest...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Jimbo,

You said there wasn't any "any" (underlined, Your emphasis) Mo in the WW. You'd back peddle your way to Pluto if you could.



I have a GREAT idea:

------- How about you put a bottle of WW into YOUR fuel tank of YOUR boxster, since you are so sure of yourself-------- How about it Jimbo?


Put your money where your mouth is. I'll PAY YOU to leave it in YOUR car and run it for 9 months. I have a feeling others would pay to see that too

Couldn't hurt right? Easy money for you, burn right up... No chance it would gel. No harm at all. Harmless. Impossible. LMAO

[Frodo]

I sort of figured this was where the discussion was going. I don’t think Jim’s going to try the suggested experiment with his own ride, nor do I think it’s reasonable to expect him to. If I had a .357 that I knew was unloaded, I’d still never point it at my head and pull the trigger. I don’t think he has stated (or even implied) that it’s impossible that the WW caused the problem, only that evidence to this point has not established that connection. And while I wouldn’t knowingly pour the stuff in my tank, I tend to agree with him…

[Brucelee]

I am going to shut this down now.

When and if this issue is resolved technicaly, pls start a new thread and let us know.

I had asked for a higher level of discourse but one of you was not willing to drop the attitude.

Sorry but that's the deal.