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Perfectlap · 07-20-2006, 02:50 PM

having worked in federal law enforcement I can tell you that handing out speeding tickets is NOT the work of cops.There are violent crimes that need to prioritized. Too many go unstopped, unpunished and unsolved.

I also think that if a cop gets fat he should be put on foot patrol. A cop should be as fit as soldier going to war.
Speeding tickets should totally be done by cameras.
Either we want people to drive slower or we don't. Technology can
drastically cut the average speed of traffic.
I dread the idea of sticking to the speed limit but the number of bone heads
driving SUVs and minivans going warp speed really is out of control.
I probably have 8X's the driving skill of the average driver yet I'm usually the slow one. What's wrong with that picture?

If state troopers want to hunt down speeders who may be trafficking in drugs well fine by me! but don't just sit there waiting to catch one because he's tripped the radar. Cameras should be noting when someone is going mach whatever, and radio to the trooper that someone is in an apparent rush. Police should also be looking for cars that look sketchy and pull them over. Cars should always have two cops as well.

Brucelee · 07-20-2006, 03:07 PM

I am totally for the automated catching of speeders.

Then the local CHP can actually find those dip****************s who speed AND weave in out and out traffic. Or worse yet, the racers who put other people into the cheap seats as they weave in and out.

Then, when they get these turds, lets by all means give them the personal attention they deserve.

I will take an automated ticket in exchange for this any day of the week.

Rail26 · 07-20-2006, 04:02 PM

Ouch, I was only 14 over at 0730 in the morning on a Sunday.

[QUOTE=Brucelee]Then, when they get these turds, lets by all means give them the personal attention they deserve.QUOTE]

Grizzly · 07-20-2006, 04:18 PM

[QUOTE=Rail26]Ouch, I was only 14 over at 0730 in the morning on a Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

Then, when they get these turds, lets by all means give them the personal attention they deserve.QUOTE]

Damn dude, you got called a turd.

CA_Boxster · 07-20-2006, 09:24 PM

I'm with Bruce on this one. Speed, get caught, try to beat it or take the class, etc. Accepting that laws are laws and speeding is breaking one of them, I think the difference between this system and a cop with radar is that the cop will generally target cars who are moving at speeds that stand out. If all traffic is doing 75 in a 65, then everyone's OK. The joker that just has to go 85 and is changing lanes every 10 seconds is the one creating a danger and he'll be the one to get nabbed. The wires in the road take away that discretion. That's the part that I don't like.

I'm also with Bruce on not having a radar detector and not getting tickets. I don't drive slow. In fact, I always drive just a little faster than everyone else because I feel like I'm better able to know where all the cars around me are and I don't like cars coming up around me. I just don't call attention to myself. The few times I have received tickets I've been the one singled out by a cop just waiting to get any car that comes over the ridge a little too fast and I figure I'm fair game on those. "Yes, Sir. Yes it is a fun car. I'll see you in a month - have a nice evening".

eslai · 07-20-2006, 10:02 PM

Do you agree with him about automated law enforcement though? In Bruce's world, all of those 75 in a 65 people would get tickets too.

Grizzly · 07-21-2006, 03:47 AM

The sign says "Speed Limit 65", right? The sign doesn't say 65-ish. If we're going 75 we're wrong. Period. What makes the speed limit sign any different than a stop sign, yield sign, or red light for that matter? Should we view those traffic control devices as helpful suggestions as well?

I'm not claiming to be an angel at all. I speed, pretty consistently, in fact. The difference is that when I am caught, by whatever means, I recognize that I was dead wrong and take my medicine.

"Oh, I should have been caught by a real cop"

"Oh, everybody else was speeding and he singled me out because_______ (fill in the blank)"

"Oh, the fat cop didn't get his morning doughnut"

"Oh, I was going down a big hill"

"Oh, this was entrapment"

"Oh, big brother is ruining my life"

All of the above is bulls**t. If the sign said 65 and I was driving 75, I'm wrong. End of story. I don't care if they used satellite triangulation and a CIA unmanned drone to figure it out. They were right and I was wrong. I write the check.

CA_Boxster · 07-21-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eslai

Do you agree with him about automated law enforcement though? In Bruce's world, all of those 75 in a 65 people would get tickets too.

I don't think he was a fan of automated enforcement. He was simply saying that there's a fixed number that is the limit and going over means you exceeded the limit and broke a law. That's true.

If the limit's 65 and I'm clocked doing 66 then the law says I can get a ticket. I can also fight it and likely win. It would suck, but if I'm over the limit then I did break a law. That's not the same as "automated". Per my explanation about cops having discretion to target more erratic drivers and leave cars just going with the flow alone, I'm an advocate of that discretion being applied. Automatically cutting a ticket for every car that goes 1 mile over the limit would be extreme and undesireable in my opinion (though I wouldn't argue against it for limited cases like school zones where it's a pretty direct safety issue). This is why there's that traditional buffer of 10mph over the limit (on a highway) where you generally won't get stopped. I've even lived in states where the fines were set by that rule of thumb. There was a set amount just for speeding for any speed up to 10mph over the limit and an incremental fine for each 1mph above that.

wild1poet2 · 07-21-2006, 12:30 PM

Must have been a rookie camera......LOL

I recently got stopped by an unmarked state trooper. We agreed I was speeding but that it wasn't reckless given the conditions and he let me go with a warning. We talked about the Porsche and his Vette for awhile and then we parted company. A camera can't do that......

Most veteran cops will agree that speeding itself is not de facto dangerous, provided the conditions are proper. Cell phones are an exponentially greater risk factor than mere speeding. I can honestly say I have never felt threatened by a speeder. But I have sure been threatened by bozo's who cut me off, turn without signalling, drift into my lane, etc. I advocate speeding when conditions are clear. At any given time on the interstates around here 90% of the vehicles are traveling 10mph over the limit. I try to stay in the bell curve.

dbth · 07-20-2006, 04:22 PM

What is interesting is that speeding tickets have not been issued yet by toll road governmental agencies,like the NJ Turnpike Authority.

They can easily compute your speed by clocking your times between toll stations if you have EZ Pass.Every one exceeds the speed limit by 15-20 mph on these road ,when traffic allows.
I understand that the reason they dont is because they dont want to discourage EZ Pass usage by mailing out thousands of speeding citations.
But with Corzine's thirst for revenue , that could change...

Brucelee · 07-20-2006, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

having worked in federal law enforcement I can tell you that handing out speeding tickets is NOT the work of cops.There are violent crimes that need to prioritized. Too many go unstopped, unpunished and unsolved.

I also think that if a cop gets fat he should be put on foot patrol. A cop should be as fit as soldier going to war.
Speeding tickets should totally be done by cameras.
Either we want people to drive slower or we don't. Technology can
drastically cut the average speed of traffic.
I dread the idea of sticking to the speed limit but the number of bone heads
driving SUVs and minivans going warp speed really is out of control.
I probably have 8X's the driving skill of the average driver yet I'm usually the slow one. What's wrong with that picture?

If state troopers want to hunt down speeders who may be trafficking in drugs well fine by me! but don't just sit there waiting to catch one because he's tripped the radar. Cameras should be noting when someone is going mach whatever, and radio to the trooper that someone is in an apparent rush. Police should also be looking for cars that look sketchy and pull them over. Cars should always have two cops as well.

I could not agree more!