I got nailed

[Brucelee]

"A Free Society cannot impose so much constraint on it's Citizens that it effectively ceases to be a Free Society - no one thing accomplishes this, but every little thing, such as these technologies, inch us closer to that day."

I am not buying it.

If the society says that it is OK to drive 75 and you drive 90, you are breaking the law.


You just don't want to pay the consequences for your actions.

C'mon, lets be honest. You want the radar detector but you don't want the cops to respond in kind.

[eslai]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

If the society says that it is OK to drive 75 and you drive 90, you are breaking the law.


You just don't want to pay the consequences for your actions.

C'mon, lets be honest. You want the radar detector but you don't want the cops to respond in kind.

While that is true, the problem I have is with the idea of automated law enforcement. I don't see how you can't see that not having an actual person held accountable for the accusation against you is a dangerous thing.

I don't mind radars and all that. But anything where there isn't someone there to say "yes, I saw that man do such-and-such things" makes me nervous. Technology is there to assist us in our endeavors, not replace us or pass judgement over us.

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

"A Free Society cannot impose so much constraint on it's Citizens that it effectively ceases to be a Free Society - no one thing accomplishes this, but every little thing, such as these technologies, inch us closer to that day."

I am not buying it.

If the society says that it is OK to drive 75 and you drive 90, you are breaking the law.


You just don't want to pay the consequences for your actions.

C'mon, lets be honest. You want the radar detector but you don't want the cops to respond in kind.

Hi,

No not at all... People are getting the wrong impression that I don't want them catching me. There's nothing to catch - I do not speed intentionally EVER on a City Street, occasionally on the expressway, but then usually only matching the Traffic Flow - my life is simple and I'm never in that much of a hurry.

I have only been pinched twice in 38 years and over 1 million miles and both of those were unintentional and dismissed. Whatever Thrill-Seeking I have unsatisfied after spending 8 years being shot off of and landing on a 300' Carrier Deck I confine to the Track or the Bedroom. I own one Car specifically for this purpose - the Track, not the Bedroom I have never owned a Radar Detector because I do not need one.

I think people who speed on Public Roads make it unsafe for all of us. I want the Cops to catch everyone of them, but I am against the use of unmanned technology to do so. I want more Cops out there doing the work of Cops. I'd much rather my not inconsiderable Tax dollars were spent on this than for counseling unwed Mothers how not to habitually hook up with guys who beat and abuse them, or $75,000 Government Grants to Biologists to determine whether a Sunfish is more agressive if intoxicated on Vodka or Gin (an actual Gov't Grant and winner of the fabled Wisconsin Senator William Proxmire's Golden Fleece Award).

So, to be clear, I am against people disregarding the Traffic Laws, but also against ever-increasing use of Technology (in whatever form) by Government to invade our Privacy. Younger people may not realize how much the Gov't has incurred on our lives as opposed to when I was young. We should always err on the side of the rights of the Citizens, not away from them...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Perfectlap]

having worked in federal law enforcement I can tell you that handing out speeding tickets is NOT the work of cops.There are violent crimes that need to prioritized. Too many go unstopped, unpunished and unsolved.

I also think that if a cop gets fat he should be put on foot patrol. A cop should be as fit as soldier going to war.
Speeding tickets should totally be done by cameras.
Either we want people to drive slower or we don't. Technology can
drastically cut the average speed of traffic.
I dread the idea of sticking to the speed limit but the number of bone heads
driving SUVs and minivans going warp speed really is out of control.
I probably have 8X's the driving skill of the average driver yet I'm usually the slow one. What's wrong with that picture?

If state troopers want to hunt down speeders who may be trafficking in drugs well fine by me! but don't just sit there waiting to catch one because he's tripped the radar. Cameras should be noting when someone is going mach whatever, and radio to the trooper that someone is in an apparent rush. Police should also be looking for cars that look sketchy and pull them over. Cars should always have two cops as well.

[Brucelee]

I am totally for the automated catching of speeders.

Then the local CHP can actually find those dip****************s who speed AND weave in out and out traffic. Or worse yet, the racers who put other people into the cheap seats as they weave in and out.

Then, when they get these turds, lets by all means give them the personal attention they deserve.

I will take an automated ticket in exchange for this any day of the week.

[Rail26]

Ouch, I was only 14 over at 0730 in the morning on a Sunday.


[QUOTE=Brucelee]Then, when they get these turds, lets by all means give them the personal attention they deserve.QUOTE]

[Grizzly]

[QUOTE=Rail26]Ouch, I was only 14 over at 0730 in the morning on a Sunday.

Originally Posted by Brucelee

Then, when they get these turds, lets by all means give them the personal attention they deserve.QUOTE]

Damn dude, you got called a turd.

[CA_Boxster]

I'm with Bruce on this one. Speed, get caught, try to beat it or take the class, etc. Accepting that laws are laws and speeding is breaking one of them, I think the difference between this system and a cop with radar is that the cop will generally target cars who are moving at speeds that stand out. If all traffic is doing 75 in a 65, then everyone's OK. The joker that just has to go 85 and is changing lanes every 10 seconds is the one creating a danger and he'll be the one to get nabbed. The wires in the road take away that discretion. That's the part that I don't like.

I'm also with Bruce on not having a radar detector and not getting tickets. I don't drive slow. In fact, I always drive just a little faster than everyone else because I feel like I'm better able to know where all the cars around me are and I don't like cars coming up around me. I just don't call attention to myself. The few times I have received tickets I've been the one singled out by a cop just waiting to get any car that comes over the ridge a little too fast and I figure I'm fair game on those. "Yes, Sir. Yes it is a fun car. I'll see you in a month - have a nice evening".

[wild1poet2]

Must have been a rookie camera......LOL

I recently got stopped by an unmarked state trooper. We agreed I was speeding but that it wasn't reckless given the conditions and he let me go with a warning. We talked about the Porsche and his Vette for awhile and then we parted company. A camera can't do that......

Most veteran cops will agree that speeding itself is not de facto dangerous, provided the conditions are proper. Cell phones are an exponentially greater risk factor than mere speeding. I can honestly say I have never felt threatened by a speeder. But I have sure been threatened by bozo's who cut me off, turn without signalling, drift into my lane, etc. I advocate speeding when conditions are clear. At any given time on the interstates around here 90% of the vehicles are traveling 10mph over the limit. I try to stay in the bell curve.

[dbth]

What is interesting is that speeding tickets have not been issued yet by toll road governmental agencies,like the NJ Turnpike Authority.

They can easily compute your speed by clocking your times between toll stations if you have EZ Pass.Every one exceeds the speed limit by 15-20 mph on these road ,when traffic allows.
I understand that the reason they dont is because they dont want to discourage EZ Pass usage by mailing out thousands of speeding citations.
But with Corzine's thirst for revenue , that could change...

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

having worked in federal law enforcement I can tell you that handing out speeding tickets is NOT the work of cops.There are violent crimes that need to prioritized. Too many go unstopped, unpunished and unsolved.

I also think that if a cop gets fat he should be put on foot patrol. A cop should be as fit as soldier going to war.
Speeding tickets should totally be done by cameras.
Either we want people to drive slower or we don't. Technology can
drastically cut the average speed of traffic.
I dread the idea of sticking to the speed limit but the number of bone heads
driving SUVs and minivans going warp speed really is out of control.
I probably have 8X's the driving skill of the average driver yet I'm usually the slow one. What's wrong with that picture?

If state troopers want to hunt down speeders who may be trafficking in drugs well fine by me! but don't just sit there waiting to catch one because he's tripped the radar. Cameras should be noting when someone is going mach whatever, and radio to the trooper that someone is in an apparent rush. Police should also be looking for cars that look sketchy and pull them over. Cars should always have two cops as well.

I could not agree more!