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[MNBoxster]

Hi,

Everyone's definition of Practicality can differ. The Cayenne is certainly Bigger and perhaps more versatile, but paying anywhere from $42,200 - $111,600 (source - Edmunds) for an SUV which gets 14MPG City is anything but Practical.

It's not the most safe, lots of other SUVs have higher Crash Safety Ratings. And it's annual cost of operation is certainly not the lowest in the SUV Category, nor is insurance. It may give you Off-Road capability, but the list of Cayennes which have actually seen Mud is as short as the list of Muslims I have met in Bars.

With apologies to you and Carmella Soprano, I think it's an Ugly, Overpowered, Status Symbol on 4 wheels. I hate it and wish Porsche had never decided to build it. I think it's degraded the Marque considerably.

I understand that it helped Porsche pull back from the edge of the Abyss, but I think a 4-door Sport Sedan or 2-door Sport Coupe would have had the same effect and this is where I think Porsche should have evolved, and will ultimately in the future.

All this said, it's just My opinion and I respect yours to both like it and buy one. I have no reason to wish you anything but the best of luck with it...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[lexuspilot]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

Everyone's definition of Practicality can differ. The Cayenne is certainly Bigger and perhaps more versatile, but paying anywhere from $42,200 - $111,600 (source - Edmunds) for an SUV which gets 14MPG City is anything but Practical.

It's not the most safe, lots of other SUVs have higher Crash Safety Ratings. And it's annual cost of operation is certainly not the lowest in the SUV Category, nor is insurance. It may give you Off-Road capability, but the list of Cayennes which have actually seen Mud is as short as the list of Muslims I have met in Bars.

With apologies to you and Carmella Soprano, I think it's an Ugly, Overpowered, Status Symbol on 4 wheels. I hate it and wish Porsche had never decided to build it. I think it's degraded the Marque considerably.

I understand that it helped Porsche pull back from the edge of the Abyss, but I think a 4-door Sport Sedan or 2-door Sport Coupe would have had the same effect and this is where I think Porsche should have evolved, and will ultimately in the future.

All this said, it's just My opinion and I respect yours to both like it and buy one. I have no reason to wish you anything but the best of luck with it...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

I am sure it fits his mission well and that is what matters.

I am sure he didn't give a rat's a$$ what a fictional TV character thought of her Cayenne.

And hell yeah it is a status symbol; what is wrong with that? It is a status symbol SUV that drives like a performance car. I cayenne is a hybrid of sorts. It is a performance car/SUV for people who do not want to own a status symbol, a minivan, a truck, and a true sports car. Compromises are inevitable, but the Cayenne does it well.

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by lexuspilot

It is a status symbol SUV that drives like a performance car. I cayenne is a hybrid of sorts. It is a performance car/SUV for people who do not want to own a status symbol, a minivan, a truck, and a true sports car. Compromises are inevitable, but the Cayenne does it well.

Hi,

Clearly we disagree, and that's OK. But an SUV which drives like a performance car is a bit of a stretch.

It has high straight-line speed because of it's ridiculously large engine, but it's hardly nimble or agile. Compared to other SUVs maybe, but no SUV drives like a performance car. If that's what you think, you need to keep learning...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Perfectlap]

not agile or nimble hey now that's slander!

the Cayenne Turbo lapped the N-Ring in the same time as the mid engined BoxsterS, well at least that's what I read in Road&Track when the SUV was unveiled.

[lexuspilot]

Jim,
I didn't even test the straight line speed. I thought you had mentioned the word practical. Straight line speed has nothing to do with practical.

Yes, of course, I meant compared to other SUV's.

Have you even driven one? This is a forum and I was making a point, if you disagree, you don't have to make it personal. Quote"If that's what you think, you need to keep learning.."

My friend lives in a downtown apartment. He can have only one vehicle. Name another that fits all of those qualities above and keep in mind he is one of those people who just loves Porsche. Porsche figured it out..."keep learning" and you will too.

I still say "Good Choice" !!!!!!

[Grizzly]

Wow! The guy buys a beautiful new truck, takes the time to show us the pictures and we tear it to shreds and then start throwing punches at one another.

I knew I liked this forum. It's just like being back home in North Philly. Go Eagles!

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by lexuspilot

Jim,
I didn't even test the straight line speed. I thought you had mentioned the word practical. Straight line speed has nothing to do with practical.

Yes, of course, I meant compared to other SUV's.

Have you even driven one? This is a forum and I was making a point, if you disagree, you don't have to make it personal. Quote"If that's what you think, you need to keep learning.."

My friend lives in a downtown apartment. He can have only one vehicle. Name another that fits all of those qualities above and keep in mind he is one of those people who just loves Porsche. Porsche figured it out..."keep learning" and you will too.

I still say "Good Choice" !!!!!!

Hi,

You're mistaken, I did not make it personal. It's inherently wrong or incorrect to call an SUV, any SUV, a performance Car. It's not a car, it's a truck and it has a high COG and cannot perform in the same way as a true performance car. The remark is not to personally attack you, but your use of the misnomer.

And, my initial post was clearly labled as my opinion, one well founded in the nomenclature of what a Sports or Performance Car is.

There is nothing Practical about a Cayenne. It may be more versatile than a Boxster by carrying more people or being more all-weather, but not practical. Anyone driving one because they love Porsches are posers. These things are not Porsches in the classic sense and are not rooted in Porsche's past as the Boxster is.

And, as mentioned, who cares what the automotive press thinks. What writers like Jay Lamm and Eric Gustafson know about cars would fill a thimble, but what they think they know about cars would take a Blimp Hanger to contain.

I have driven 2 Cayennes extensively, maybe 5k mi. in total, a base and a Turbo S. The first owned by a friend (an attorney who has it as his lease car from the practice) and the other (Turbo S) owned by my Bro-in-Law who has it because my sister won't let him buy a 911, it was the best compromise he could muster (so he thinks).

I tell him all the time that it's an Ugly piece of junk. They are awful and are only made more awful by the ridiculous sticker price, proving once again that there's one born every minute. As another said "Cha Cha Ching" for Porsche that they can sucker anyone into actually wanting, and paying for one of these... Oh, and bye the way, I was born in Philly...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[00Buck]

Hi, Jangobox. I have the Cayenne’s cousin, the Touareg, and love it. The guy I bought my Boxster from was buying a Cayenne as well. They are a very nice ride. Good luck and enjoy.

[jangobox]

Oh Man ! I love a good popcorn thread. Thanks for the compliments and the critque. This is the first time I have had a chance to look at this all day. Well here is why I bought the Cayenne. When I said practical it was really meant as a joke. To be quite honest and this is just my opinion, no Porsche is really practical unless it is what you do/use for a living. I took my Boxster in for an oil change at the dealership. They gave me a loaner, a regular base Cayenne. They needed to order a part for my boxster to do some needed bulletin recalls so that took about 3 days in total at the dealership. What does that mean? Well I had 3 days to test drive this Cayenne. WOW , I loved it. It handled great for an SUV, it felt like Porsche had built it. I t handled better then any SUV I have ever driven in my entire life. I have owned several and test drove many other SUV's in my life as well have owned many a pickup truck as well. I have owned 4-runners, Discoveries, Range Rovers and test drove the X5 , FX 45 and 35, the Lexus 330, Sequoia and some others that are slipping my mind right now. None of those and I mean none of those even came close to the performance and quality I felt suited me the best. Yes the X5 is a very tight SUV but it still did not have the quality of the Cayenne S. After the 3 days I concluded that I would get more use out of the Cayenne S then i would the boxster and would get to drive my "Porsche" more in every day events. Half of the fun of owning a Porsche , IMHO, is sharing it with others. The Cayenne let's me bring all my friends and family with me. Don't knock the Cayenne until you drive it. Yeah I too thought it was extremely ugly but it grew on me big time. I sold the Boxster because I knew once I got the Cayenne, the box would take a back seat and I knew I wouldn't get my money's worth from it. As far as the gas mileage, I got that covered, yeah its about 15 mpg but I also got a green machine...a Prius which I now label it as my Porsche Prius .

In closing..... The Cayenne S is one of the nicest automobiles I have ever owned. Worth every penny .....well I wish it was less of course. It's performance is worthy of Porsche's name. Everything about it is top notch quality.

Too me..it's bad ass.

And dare I do this?
Me and my Porsche and my Horsche....sorry I had to do it.

[Perfectlap]

that's interesting because I think an SUV is the only "slot machine" that Porsche could have cashed in on without degrading the brand image.
Because its an entirely different category.

a Luxury Porsche sedan (I hope its f'*&^%% REALLY expensive) will only bring more (whatever that word for something exclusive, fancy, expensive all rolled up into one). But like the SUV, the Panamera has little to do with racing. Unless the race the Panamera in DTM or BTCC. That would be COOL!!!

A low cost sports coupe would be a bad move. Intentionally held back with low HP, tall 1st gear and cheap interior parts? Just to put out a low cost item/high volume item on the market? Porsche doesn't need to go there, they can make the same money selling fewer units at a much higher price. Which is exactly what they did with a ludicrously expensive "4x4/family wagon/minvan" type thing.
Add some muscle and top notch suspension and its a High Performance familywagon
We've gotten so use to seeing $50,000 family wagons we don't even think it unusual anymore.

Meanwhile Porsche cha cha ching...makes one "family wagon" for every sports car.
Yet after all of the millions they've made people still come up to me and say "wow a Porsche my dream car"
Smart dudes those Germans.

I remember that station wagon my dad used to have with the fake vinyl wood on the sides. Now that was an SUV!!