A place for my piece

[CHRISP357]

Originally Posted by Giller

Be careful Chris. Because right now, there is ZERO proof that carrying a handgun reduces crime in any way.

Frankly - the crime rate is much higher in the US than it is in Canada, Australia, New Zeland, England......and the list goes on. Countries that do not allow you to own/carry handguns have lower crime rates. That's a fact.

While carrying a handgun may make you feel better, it sure isn't reducing crime that I can see.

Day dream about Utopia much? Australia disarmed all of their victims and murder rates with guns are up 7 percent and armed robberies are up 44 percent. Places like the UK, where they haven't allowed the lower caste to own guns forever, don't really count. (Although crimes with edged weapons are up massively) Canada has increasingly high numbers of gun use crimes. The only country in the world with decreasing crime? Yep. Right here.
Side note, I can guarantee no crime against myself or my daughter will be any where near as easy for the bad guys as it would be against you.

[CHRISP357]

Originally Posted by BRAN

With a gun in your face...what is the benefit of a handgun, stowed away somewhere in your car?

I do see the need for self-defense in the states, but honestly I am more scared of a nutter with a gun going mental.
As I had to serve in the army, loooooong time ago, i had to fire all possible guns. Been there, done that. Most fun was the MG3...everything else is a toy

No need to carry guns here, thank god.

I wonder if those women who were raped, robbed and molested at your festival feel the same?
Listen, other countries, if you enjoy being passive potential victims then fine. I won't criticize you for it.
Most of us here prefer to be responsible for the safety of our families. Will we succeed every time? Sadly, no. But our odds are far better than anyone else's.

[achillies]

^^^^^Really too bad you need to go on and on about your "opinion" the OP asked for a place to put a gun in the car. I really could care less about your beliefs etc. You made your response to Alan but then needed to go on and on and on and on.

[Chuck W.]

Originally Posted by itsnotanova

Maybe not the most convenient location to get to quick, but what about tucked behind the engine firewall carpet? There's some foam inserts that can be removed easily.

This is a great idea. A thief would never look there and it would be easily assessable if needed.

[jdraupp]

Originally Posted by mavis.d

Only in America
Get a grip guys
Sorry but had to be said

Actually it didn't need to be said. Like at all. You live in the UK. You were raised in a different culture. Don't pretend to sit on a hill and look down on us like you have the answers and superior point of view. I said this in the other thread that somehow has gotten to a gun right discussion...and i say it for our austrailian friends, our canadian friends, really anyone who isn't American. You don't understand our culture or rights. I sure dont pretend to understand yours. Stop judging us through your lens. Further, if you have nothing constructive to say then say nothing. I'm sure our cultures share that idea.

[paulofto]

I have only one comment to make . . . . . . Oh never mind . . . .

[Timco]

Originally Posted by mavis.d

Only in America
Get a grip guys
Sorry but had to be said

Oh, I have a grip. Many. Hogue (sp?) is the best.

[BRAN]

Guys, guys...no one wants to take your toys away, you can keep 'em, if it makes you feel better.
Is there a full moon coming?

[Timco]

Originally Posted by BRAN

Guys, guys...no one wants to take your toys away, you can keep 'em, if it makes you feel better.
Is there a full moon coming?

Have you seen Hilary Clinton speak???

[BIGJake111]

I feel that the door pocket or even behind the passenger seat would be best. You could access the pocket behind the passenger seat very quickly if you have longer arms and be prepared to exercise your right to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your property, from foreign invaders, the government, and criminals alike. Just in case. I believe in gun ownership because it takes too long to learn kung fu like Jackie chan.

A majority of people left and right in America are peddling authoritarian government, the individual deserves a defense, in case of the worst case scenario.


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[BRAN]

Originally Posted by Timco

Have you seen Hilary Clinton speak???

Do i have to? What did she say now? OMG did I quote her......nooooooooooooooo

[Giller]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

Day dream about Utopia much? Australia disarmed all of their victims and murder rates with guns are up 7 percent and armed robberies are up 44 percent. Places like the UK, where they haven't allowed the lower caste to own guns forever, don't really count. (Although crimes with edged weapons are up massively) Canada has increasingly high numbers of gun use crimes. The only country in the world with decreasing crime? Yep. Right here.
Side note, I can guarantee no crime against myself or my daughter will be any where near as easy for the bad guys as it would be against you.

Canada has increasingly high numbers of gun use crimes? Where do you get that stat from?

You can talk about reducing crime in the states all you like, it is still far far far higher than countries who don't allow guns.

Unfortunately, all the facts and stats show it is far safer to live unarmed than armed.

If you want to argue it's your right, go ahead. I'm not taking that away. I'm just talking facts. Yes, it's your right. But don't try to pretend it's safer when it clearly isn't.

[Deserion]

I wonder how difficult it would be to fab up a small metal lockbox to bolt in under the passenger seat.

[mavis.d]

Originally Posted by jdraupp

Actually it didn't need to be said. Like at all. You live in the UK. You were raised in a different culture. Don't pretend to sit on a hill and look down on us like you have the answers and superior point of view. I said this in the other thread that somehow has gotten to a gun right discussion...and i say it for our austrailian friends, our canadian friends, really anyone who isn't American. You don't understand our culture or rights. I sure dont pretend to understand yours. Stop judging us through your lens. Further, if you have nothing constructive to say then say nothing. I'm sure our cultures share that idea.

Just the response I was expecting I'm not looking from any hill but it's all down to the law of demimishing returns if you have a stick I'll get a bigger one
Oh btw please tell your president to mind his own business and stop telling me how to vote in a national election if the boot was on the other foot I'm sure it wouldn't go down too well

[jdraupp]

Originally Posted by mavis.d

Just the response I was expecting I'm not looking from any hill but it's all down to the law of demimishing returns if you have a stick I'll get a bigger one
Oh btw please tell your president to mind his own business and stop telling me how to vote in a national election if the boot was on the other foot I'm sure it wouldn't go down too well

If you wish to look past my point, that's fine. All I'm trying to say is I don't pretend to understand your culture. I do, however, respect that it's different than mine. In a similar way, I don't expect you to understand why we Americans enjoy our rights to own guns, but I would expect as a reasonable human being that you could at least respect it. I don't get that vibe from your snotty comment, and I invite you to better clarify your comment to me if I am wrong.

"My" president doesnt listen to much. In fact he's the reason for the spike in gun sales. He does whatever he wants. Will likely go down as one of the worst in history if you ask me. I'm guessing you aren't asking me though because you obviously lump all Americans together and have disdain for all of us due to the actions of one. Do a little more free thinking and zoom in on his approval rating first.

And timco is right. Hillary isn't too fond of the rights guaranteed by our country's founders and she'd fight tooth and nail to take every gun from citizens who abide by laws and legally own firearms for hunting or protection. Meanwhile, the criminal element will continue to obtain them and use them for malice. That's a whole other conversation though.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by mavis.d

Just the response I was expecting I'm not looking from any hill but it's all down to the law of demimishing returns if you have a stick I'll get a bigger one
Oh btw please tell your president to mind his own business and stop telling me how to vote in a national election if the boot was on the other foot I'm sure it wouldn't go down too well

One thing clear. Not every gun owner straps their AR15 on their back at Walmart or the mall. That's the stereotype the left wants the world to see. Drink that koolaid if you wish.

And all add one more thing. He is NOT my president. Didn't vote for him, disagree on almost everything he says, and I'm tired of being the world's police force. We should indeed stay out of your business.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by jdraupp

If you wish to look past my point, that's fine. All I'm trying to say is I don't pretend to understand your culture. I do, however, respect that it's different than mine. In a similar way, I don't expect you to understand why we Americans enjoy our rights to own guns, but I would expect as a reasonable human being that you could at least respect it. I don't get that vibe from your snotty comment, and I invite you to better clarify your comment to me if I am wrong.

"My" president doesnt listen to much. In fact he's the reason for the spike in gun sales. He does whatever he wants. Will likely go down as one of the worst in history if you ask me. I'm guessing you aren't asking me though because you obviously lump all Americans together and have disdain for all of us due to the actions of one. Do a little more free thinking and zoom in on his approval rating first.

And timco is right. Hillary isn't too fond of the rights guaranteed by our country's founders and she'd fight tooth and nail to take every gun from citizens who abide by laws and legally own firearms for hunting or protection. Meanwhile, the criminal element will continue to obtain them and use them for malice. That's a whole other conversation though.

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[mavis.d]

Originally Posted by jdraupp

If you wish to look past my point, that's fine. All I'm trying to say is I don't pretend to understand your culture. I do, however, respect that it's different than mine. In a similar way, I don't expect you to understand why we Americans enjoy our rights to own guns, but I would expect as a reasonable human being that you could at least respect it. I don't get that vibe from your snotty comment, and I invite you to better clarify your comment to me if I am wrong.

"My" president doesnt listen to much. In fact he's the reason for the spike in gun sales. He does whatever he wants. Will likely go down as one of the worst in history if you ask me. I'm guessing you aren't asking me though because you obviously lump all Americans together and have disdain for all of us due to the actions of one. Do a little more free thinking and zoom in on his approval rating first.

And timco is right. Hillary isn't too fond of the rights guaranteed by our country's founders and she'd fight tooth and nail to take every gun from citizens who abide by laws and legally own firearms for hunting or protection. Meanwhile, the criminal element will continue to obtain them and use them for malice. That's a whole other conversation though.

Wow a reasonable human being what a comment if my comment is snotty what is yours?
I respect ever body's right to be themselves. Surely that's part of being a democracy.
The point I'm trying to make is that if you carry a big stick someone else is going to catty a bigger one. If you decriminalise guns all that will be left will be the illegal ones so in that sense your up ship creek without a paddle.
I have no distain for you or your country and maybe I don't understand why you feel the need the bear arms but what I do know is that I live in a major city and can sleep well in my bed at night or drive around with the roof down where I want.
I know that there a number of countries in the world that have worse gun problems than yours but is that anything to be proud of?

On a separate note I don't envy your choice, Trump or Clinton

[CHRISP357]

On a separate note I don't envy your choice, Trump or Clinton [/QUOTE]

From the country that just elected a Muslim mayor for London. Let us know how that works out for you.

[CHRISP357]

Originally Posted by Giller

Canada has increasingly high numbers of gun use crimes? Where do you get that stat from?

You can talk about reducing crime in the states all you like, it is still far far far higher than countries who don't allow guns.

Unfortunately, all the facts and stats show it is far safer to live unarmed than armed.

If you want to argue it's your right, go ahead. I'm not taking that away. I'm just talking facts. Yes, it's your right. But don't try to pretend it's safer when it clearly isn't.

Facts and statistics are very easy to learn in this modern world. The problem is, you lefties don't like facts.