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tomonomics 04-22-2016 06:23 AM

Hard to tell from the pics, but if the interior and top are Black/Grey, that will save you a ton of money instead of looking for the cocoa parts. The top and heated seat are the same as the standard models parts/colors, not sure about the dark gray leather covering.

Black was a factory option on the SE, and is pretty rare compared to the SE brown.

GTsilber 04-22-2016 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tomonomics (Post 492787)
Hard to tell from the pics, but if the interior and top are Black/Grey, that will save you a ton of money instead of looking for the cocoa parts. I believe those are the same as the standard models parts/colors.

Black was a factory option on the SE, and is pretty rare compared to the SE brown.



Yes both top and seats are black...what seats am I looking for specifically, all leather, heated?

Smallblock454 04-22-2016 08:22 AM

Hi,

i'm sorry but the 550 Spyder edition model seats are not standard leather. Both cocoa or dark grey seats are natural leather seats, which was an expensive option from standard leather for the normal car and the quality of the leather is different - less paint on the leather, more open pored and by that more breathable. This leather is also more sensitive against moisture. Which maybe describes the really bad condition of the drivers seat.

The rear cover of the seats is painted with the exterior color GT silver. You look for heated seats. As i said, these seats will be hard to get - especially in dark grey color.

Regards from Germany
Markus

Again cocoa:
http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/16346392.jpg
http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/16346396.jpg

rick3000 04-22-2016 08:28 AM

I mentioned the difficulty sourcing parts earlier in the thread, best best would be to try and have a shop repair the seat and match the color. You can find your option code sticker under the hood, it will have all of the options and color codes so you know what to look for. You can find decoders online. :cheers:

tomonomics 04-22-2016 08:46 AM

"the 550 Spyder edition model seats are not standard leather. Both cocoa or dark grey seats are natural leather seats, which was an expensive option from standard leather for the normal car."

You are correct...I meant to say that the 'seat' was a standard heated sport seat. But it is covered in natural leather, which I will assume it different than the 'Large Leather' package that was offered that year. The painted seatbacks were an option, but not in GT Silver.

GTsilber 04-22-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Smallblock454 (Post 492801)
Hi,

i'm sorry but the 550 Spyder edition model seats are not standard leather. Both cocoa or dark grey seats are natural leather seats, which was an expensive option from standard leather for the normal car and the quality of the leather is different - less paint on the leather, more open pored and by that more breathable. This leather is also more sensitive against moisture. Which maybe describes the really bad condition of the drivers seat.

The rear cover of the seats is painted with the exterior color GT silver. You look for heated seats. As i said, these seats will be hard to get - especially in dark grey color.

Regards from Germany
Markus

Again cocoa:
http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/16346392.jpg
http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/16346396.jpg



Your seats look incredible, the painted seat back makes is look so clean and crisp...love it!

Smallblock454 04-22-2016 12:06 PM

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@ GTsilber: Sorry, that might be misleading. The pictures don't show my car. Found them on the internet just to illustrate the differences.

My car has a black interior. Sorry, i don't have good photos from my interior.

Regards, Markus

Muskoka Minute 04-22-2016 03:09 PM

Here are some pics of my 04 SEhttp://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1461365590.jpg
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Hope this helps.
I wish my seats were painted GT Siler....

GTsilber 04-22-2016 03:33 PM


Wow your car is immaculate! This is what I want mine to look like. I went to 3 body shops today, all deal with high end cars. All 3 confirmed that the clear coat peeling is the result of the sun NOT the car being repainted. I got quotes to repaint the entire car ranging from $3k-$5k...really want to do it [emoji41]

BFeller 04-22-2016 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GTsilber (Post 492395)
Thank you husker. I am mechanical, I have only owned German cars (Benz and Audi) for the last 15 years, and just recently purchased a 2005 Dodge Ram that I brought back from the dead. I live in South Florida, plenty of upholsterers around, just wasn't sure if it was worth it to go that route or buy a new seat? I have a friend that owns a high end body shop that I could work with on the paint. Very good advice though, you get what you pay for...in my circumstance, I would just rather pony up $7k now and "pay as I go" opposed to dropping $15-$20k on the car.

I would run over to the paint guy and get some feedback from him. Try to move the top in service mode. It could be as simple as some bad micro switches. Freedom in movement could quickly tell you broken assembly's - arms control and such. A few people have resorted to manually open and closing the top. Doing that doesn't help resale value - but takes only a little more time than automatic mode. There are some great writeup's on trouble shooting the top.

Timco 04-23-2016 03:36 AM

I'll post the 550 brochure later. Painted seat backs were an option. Mine does not have them painted.

GTsilber 04-23-2016 03:40 PM

I have been trying to trouble shoot my top issue, so far no luck. Here are some things I tried and observations:
1. Check handbrake is illuminated in dash when pulled - confirmed
2. Check top microswitch is working correctly - when pulled Windows go down, when pushed up windows roll up - confirmed
3. Remove top double relay and reinsert - confirmed but not sure if relay is bad?
4. Replace B6 fuse - confirmed
5. The top warning light does not illuminate when placing key in ignition, not sure if it should
6. The top rocker switch does not illuminate with yellow light, upon toggling switch no sound from top motor or otherwise

What else can I try?

On another note, got a CEL light, P0420. Hooked up my OBD2 and noticed that B1S1 and B1S2 are showing similar voltage, do I need to replace S1 or is it the cat that's bad?



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Tcar 04-23-2016 05:22 PM

I think the car also sat outdoors with the TOP DOWN in the sun (maybe rain) for extended periods to make the seats look/feel like that.

Same treatment that caused the paint fail.

BIGJake111 04-23-2016 06:36 PM

Who does this to a Special Edition. I could see someone buying a base and letting it rot because they're exponentially more replaceable, but if you're going to let a car sit why pay more for the special edition.

GTsilber 04-23-2016 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 492980)
Who does this to a Special Edition. I could see someone buying a base and letting it rot because they're exponentially more replaceable, but if you're going to let a car sit why pay more for the special edition.



To be honest I think the PO had no idea this was a special edition. But even so, this is no way to treat a car, I am going to do my best to restore it.

dghii 04-23-2016 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsilber (Post 492960)
I have been trying to trouble shoot my top issue, so far no luck. Here are some things I tried and observations:
1. Check handbrake is illuminated in dash when pulled - confirmed
2. Check top microswitch is working correctly - when pulled Windows go down, when pushed up windows roll up - confirmed
3. Remove top double relay and reinsert - confirmed but not sure if relay is bad?
4. Replace B6 fuse - confirmed
5. The top warning light does not illuminate when placing key in ignition, not sure if it should
6. The top rocker switch does not illuminate with yellow light, upon toggling switch no sound from top motor or otherwise

What else can I try?

On another note, got a CEL light, P0420. Hooked up my OBD2 and noticed that B1S1 and B1S2 are showing similar voltage, do I need to replace S1 or is it the cat that's bad?

The windows toggle up and down with the microswitch in the top latch assembly.

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I guess you've got to do a little more digging with the top.

First off, handbrake illumination does not mean the microswitch for the top is good, Bypass the switch at the top controller relay. See Pedros DYI for instructions, its easy and once you do it, you'll like it!

1, Beg, borrow steal a new top controller relay and see what happens.
2. Get out the top pry bar and disconnect the pivot arm ball joints to allow top and clam shell to operate manually. This will allow you to inspect the mechanical aspects of the top operation, along with allowing you to place the top in any position you want.

3. with top disconnected, get to the tops motor, which is directly underneath the rear window. Disconnect drive cables (to keep both sides in sync) and power the motor directly to check its condition.

GTsilber 04-23-2016 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dghii (Post 492986)
I guess you've got to do a little more digging with the top.



First off, handbrake illumination does not mean the microswitch for the top is good, Bypass the switch at the top controller relay. See Pedros DYI for instructions, its easy and once you do it, you'll like it!



1, Beg, borrow steal a new top controller relay and see what happens.

2. Get out the top pry bar and disconnect the pivot arm ball joints to allow top and clam shell to operate manually. This will allow you to inspect the mechanical aspects of the top operation, along with allowing you to place the top in any position you want.



3. with top disconnected, get to the tops motor, which is directly underneath the rear window. Disconnect drive cables (to keep both sides in sync) and power the motor directly to check its condition.


Thanks for the help...wasn't sure which Pedro article you were referring to but I tried the one for bending back pin 18 to drop the top while moving...didn't work for me [emoji853] is there another article that I should try?

How do I get my hands on another relay to test?

BIGJake111 04-23-2016 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsilber (Post 492984)
To be honest I think the PO had no idea this was a special edition. But even so, this is no way to treat a car, I am going to do my best to restore it.



I'm glad it's in good hands now. It would be more cost effective to just buy a car in working order. So it shows your dedication to go through the time and money to bring this car to the life it deserves.

Timco 04-23-2016 09:37 PM

Jump out micro switch at park brake first. It may be bad and the hand brake light will still light up.

Dammit. Dog farted. That's just awful.

That is all.

GTsilber 04-23-2016 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 492991)
I'm glad it's in good hands now. It would be more cost effective to just buy a car in working order. So it shows your dedication to go through the time and money to bring this car to the life it deserves.



I've looked around for a SE, they are usually in the 18-20k range, and even then you still have to pony up for IMS fix and have potential for other issues like AOS...I would rather do the work myself, knowing the work was done right.

Smallblock454 04-24-2016 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 492911)
I'll post the 550 brochure later. Painted seat backs were an option. Mine does not have them painted.

Hi Timco,

to be honest i've never seen this model without the painted GT silver seat backs over here in Germany / Europe. Maybe it was a ROW option. I don't know. Also checked the official Porsche press release and it says the seat back covers are in GT silver. Don't have a brochure for the car.

@GTsilber:

If you don't have i would recommend you to get an official Porsche workshop manual or another good workshop manual for the car as a base documentation. Wiring diagrams will be helpful if you have bigger trouble with electronic components. The forum will help, but there is a point when it's really difficult to solve complex problems via remote diagnosis. Just my 2 cents.

Regards, Markus

particlewave 04-24-2016 02:49 AM

Looking at the wiring diagram for a 2004, and based on your symptoms (dash switch and cluster light not illuminating), I'm leaning toward the relay.

My reasoning is that if it were a microswitch or top motor issue, the dash switch and cluster indicator should still light up. The only thing I see that they all have in common (operation lockout, lights) is the relay.

Difficult to tell, though. I'd ask Woody if he has one you can try. If it didn't fix the issue, I'm sure he'd refund you or you could sell it.

GTsilber 04-24-2016 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 493003)
Looking at the wiring diagram for a 2004, and based on your symptoms (dash switch and cluster light not illuminating), I'm leaning toward the relay.



My reasoning is that if it were a microswitch or top motor issue, the dash switch and cluster indicator should still light up. The only thing I see that they all have in common (operation lockout, lights) is the relay.



Difficult to tell, though. I'd ask Woody if he has one you can try. If it didn't fix the issue, I'm sure he'd refund you or you could sell it.


I just took another look at the fuse diagram and at my fuse box. I noticed that fuse D3 was missing in my box - I believe this is the fuse that talks to the top relay...I plugged in a brand new 30A and thought for sure it would work...nope [emoji15]. Is it possible that the dash rocker switch needs to be replaced, my central door lock button is not functioning either, and I also replaced that fuse. Central door lock led is illuminated though.

10/10ths 04-24-2016 11:44 AM

Painted seat backs....
 
...were, indeed, optional in the USA.

My car does NOT have them.

GTsilber 04-25-2016 03:49 PM

Is it possible that my top dash rocker switch is kaput?


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particlewave 04-25-2016 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GTsilber (Post 493267)
Is it possible that my top dash rocker switch is kaput?


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Possible, but not likely. Easy to determine with a DVM.

GTsilber 04-26-2016 05:03 PM

So my turn signal indicators stopped working last night but the hazards were working correctly with indicators blinking in dash...I got my Bentley manual today and saw that the indicator light and top are both tied to fuse B6, a fuse I've already replaced and tested 3x!

Low and behold, the top now works after replacing B6 again [emoji1417]

With the top down I noticed this cable and screw hanging loosely on the passenger side, what is this and should it be connected to something?
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911monty 04-26-2016 05:55 PM

Pretty sure that's your top tension cable. With the top in the service position you can look on the other side and you should find the twin to that one.

GTsilber 04-26-2016 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 911monty (Post 493454)
Pretty sure that's your top tension cable. With the top in the service position you can look on the other side and you should find the twin to that one.



Thanks I saw the driver side is mounted, is there a nut or something I'm missing here? How do secure that screw to the top, I don't see a mounting hole just feels like there's a rivet.

911monty 04-26-2016 10:09 PM

GT see the post I attached. It should guide you in the right direction. Remember search is your friend. ;)

http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/44151-convertible-top-tension-cable.html

joecal 04-27-2016 02:46 PM

That's good to hear you got it working. I was going to say if the car had water damage done to the seat maybe your immobilzer under the front seat got wet.

GTsilber 04-27-2016 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911monty (Post 493482)
GT see the post I attached. It should guide you in the right direction. Remember search is your friend. ;)



http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/44151-convertible-top-tension-cable.html



Thanks 911monty - still not sure if I need to buy a new top tension cable, can't Seem to get this screw attached.

911monty 04-27-2016 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GTsilber (Post 493608)
Thanks 911monty - still not sure if I need to buy a new top tension cable, can't Seem to get this screw attached.

Did you read the article? It has pics and description of how the top end is attached. I'm assuming it is the upper connection we are looking at?

Timco 04-27-2016 03:11 PM

Sorry. I thought I had these uploaded already.

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GTsilber 04-27-2016 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911monty (Post 493612)
Did you read the article? It has pics and description of how the top end is attached. I'm assuming it is the upper connection we are looking at?



Reread it, I had difficulty removing the screw from the ball joint. But I got it, removed screw, tightened, then reattached socket to screw ball...thank you!

GTsilber 04-27-2016 05:43 PM

Thanks for posting the brochure, I wish I had painted seat backs!

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dghii 04-27-2016 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsilber (Post 492988)
Thanks for the help...wasn't sure which Pedro article you were referring to but I tried the one for bending back pin 18 to drop the top while moving...didn't work for me [emoji853] is there another article that I should try?

How do I get my hands on another relay to test?

Look for the hack where you ground pin 15 (I think). that bypasses the parking brake.

GTsilber 04-28-2016 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dghii (Post 493662)
Look for the hack where you ground pin 15 (I think). that bypasses the parking brake.

Yup I already did that and it works!

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GTsilber 04-29-2016 06:37 AM

Here is a list of maintenance items that I plan on completing in the next couple of weeks:
1. Clean Throttle Body (complete)
2. Replace spark plugs (went with OEM Beru)
3. Oil Change (going with Pentosin 5w40, Hengst filter, new LN magnetic drain plug)
4. Inspect existing oil filter for metal/plastic
5. Replace driver side door check hinge
6. Replace fuel line vent valve (ordered OEM off a 2002 911)
7. Replace AOS (OEM part purchased)
8. Check brake wear sensors - (dash light is illuminated but pads look good)
9. Possibly replace B1S2 o2 sensor

Anything else I should be looking at, other than IMS?

GTsilber 04-29-2016 04:05 PM

About to purchase 2004 50th anniversary
 
Draining oil now, took off filter and inspected. I did see some really small splinters of metal and what appeared to tiny plastic dots (2-3) pieces...is this normal?

Also noticed a small oil leak right in front of oil pan and adjacent to filter, behind tranny, not sure where leak is coming from, rear main seal?


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