12-10-2015, 03:25 PM
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I have to say, I drove a 2004 Carrera the other day and it knocks the socks off my boxster s. I just can't justify the $$. Bang for your buck, boxster wins hands down.
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12-10-2015, 05:18 PM
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Who is Jeremy Clark?
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Jeremy Charles Robert Clarkson is an English broadcaster, journalist and writer who specialises in motoring. He is best known for co-presenting the BBC TV show Top Gear with Richard Hammond and James May from October 2002 to March 2015.
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12-10-2015, 05:51 PM
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My friend is bouncing back and forth between a boxster s and 996 purchase. He is an air cooled 911 guy and never thought much of the Boxsters or any water pampers. He picked mine up and drove it from PA to MA and love the handling. As.a result, he is now actively looking. I am curious Bryanf, when you wrote the 996 knocked the socks off the boxster s, did you mean in every area, 0-60, top speed, other? It would help him to get some opinions. I had a 77 911 C3.0 which I enjoyed but I knew when I got back in I wanted something a bit more refined and a convertible. So far, the 2000 s has been awesome. No complaints, I feel very, very lucky to have it as a toy.
Thanks,
David
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12-10-2015, 07:45 PM
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On the slippery slope
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Well I have both a 04 986 S and a 04 996 Targa.
Both are great cars. While I like the extra 60 or so HP in the 996, I prefer to drive the Boxster. I find it more fun to drive, handles better and hell, nothing beats a ragtop in San Diego.
When I do back road drives with the local PCA club, I have no problem keeping up with and sometimes crawling up the ass of 911's. Sure on the straights, they pull away, but as soon as we get into the twisties, my little Boxster shines
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12-11-2015, 05:19 AM
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Location: Niagara Ontario
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Ditto, I also own both, a 996 Millennium and a Boxster S, the Boxster is just more "fun", plus it's a convertible.., the Boxster S is IMO, the best sports car ever made!
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12-11-2015, 06:42 AM
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Location: Hinsdale, IL
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The maint risk/expense is the same which leaves the Boxster/Cayman as the better buy. Just sold my 996 C4 and now hunting for as new as I can afford Cayman S.
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12-11-2015, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Twomato
The maint risk/expense is the same which leaves the Boxster/Cayman as the better buy. Just sold my 996 C4 and now hunting for as new as I can afford Cayman S.
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Cayman S is my next Porsche too. I Don't think the Caymen get the same flack as the Boxster does compare to the 911 even though the Caymen is just a Boxster hardtop.
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12-11-2015, 09:09 AM
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If technical fact is an issue (smile!) just ask a 911 enthusiast about "snap oversteer" or "lift off oversteer" .Without PSM the rear engined cars are inherently worse handling than a mid engined car.
Just Google the terms - there are lots of examples,videos and tech explanations. Very few 911/996 drivers actually have the skills to correct the problem on public roads and stay in their lane.
Ever Wondered Just How Necessary PSM Might Be? - The Truth About Cars
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12-11-2015, 09:37 AM
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Well to be fair the main appeal of the 911 I hear from owners isn't the larger power figure, they actually prefer the greater challenge that rear engine provides.
They treat rear engine vs mid like automatic vs manual.
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12-11-2015, 06:31 PM
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Location: Morrison CO
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Originally Posted by DWBOX2000
My friend is bouncing back and forth between a boxster s and 996 purchase. He is an air cooled 911 guy and never thought much of the Boxsters or any water pampers. He picked mine up and drove it from PA to MA and love the handling. As.a result, he is now actively looking. I am curious Bryanf, when you wrote the 996 knocked the socks off the boxster s, did you mean in every area, 0-60, top speed, other? It would help him to get some opinions. I had a 77 911 C3.0 which I enjoyed but I knew when I got back in I wanted something a bit more refined and a convertible. So far, the 2000 s has been awesome. No complaints, I feel very, very lucky to have it as a toy.
Thanks,
David
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The power of the carrera really surprised me, A LOT more than my 02 S and I was driving an automatic. The noticeable power difference is the only reason I say it knocks the socks off the boxster. The boxster seems to handle just as good if not better. The interiors feel almost identical to me (minus the small back seat of coarse).
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12-12-2015, 03:14 AM
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Teddyonine
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Originally Posted by BIGJake111
It means you can't afford the Cheesecake Factory.
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Good one, Jake.
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12-12-2015, 03:39 AM
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If you don't have the balls to drive a 986, than buy a 911. 
Regards
Markus
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12-12-2015, 05:50 AM
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I`m slowly making my way down the Porsche chassis re. engine location. My first was a 944S, currently a 986 so I guess a 911 is in my future. 
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12-12-2015, 05:52 AM
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Location: S. New Jersey
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Originally Posted by BIGJake111
Well to be fair the main appeal of the 911 I hear from owners isn't the larger power figure, they actually prefer the greater challenge that rear engine provides.
They treat rear engine vs mid like automatic vs manual.
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This makes a lot of sense.
Could it be that driving a super balanced, slightly under powered, great handling boxster is actually taking the easy way
Versus
Driving an over steering, higher HP 911 that wants to kill you on each turn unless you super pay attention.
Oh no have we all been brain washed?
That's it Selling the Boxster, cashing in my kids savings bonds and buying a 996 turbo and getting my dignity back
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12-12-2015, 07:16 AM
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On the slippery slope
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Austin and Palm Springs
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slow down a minute cowboy...
The newer 911's (996 and newer) have far less oversteer. Porsche did changes to the suspension design and they are much better behaved with and without PSM
Yes, the lawn mower engined (air cooled) ones do rotate easily if you lift the gas in a turn, the newer ones have far less tendency to do that.
In any case, if t does start to come around, just stomp on the gas and it straightens out
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12-12-2015, 10:07 AM
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Location: LB, Germany
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So rear end engine cars are more difficult to drive than mid engine cars? LOL.
Ever driven a mid and rear engine car without spability management systems? Maybe some should give those 911 big ball guys a 914/6 for a test drive on a rainy race track.
So at the end of the day, the Porsche marketing department has done a really good job by classifying the segments and get a maximum roi.
Regards, Markus
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12-12-2015, 01:08 PM
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On the slippery slope
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Austin and Palm Springs
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I drive both a mid and rear engine Porsche without any stability control other than me.
No problem at all
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12-12-2015, 02:08 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Montreal
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I bought a Base Boxster because I could not afford the S let alone a 911.
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