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healthservices 05-26-2015 06:41 AM

You don't get the pump going on or you don't get power with the wires jumped ? If the pump does not go on with the wires jumped, an you get power to the pump, it means you have a bad pump. But if you dont get power to the pump that is a different issue.

Timco 05-26-2015 08:02 AM

OK. With a very well made jumper, I jumped out 30 & 87 on the relay, left two slots, one standard and one very skinny. M

There is no voltage to the FP with that jumped out. Zero.

I'll follow DME component testing in Bentley manual.

Jamesp 05-26-2015 04:05 PM

Have you double checked the fuse?

Jamesp 05-26-2015 04:07 PM

One other comment. I drained my tank by unplugging the QD at the firewall and jumping the relay, point being that should make the pump run.

healthservices 05-26-2015 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 451301)
OK. With a very well made jumper, I jumped out 30 & 87 on the relay, left two slots, one standard and one very skinny. M

There is no voltage to the FP with that jumped out. Zero.

I'll follow DME component testing in Bentley manual.


ok hopefully you got the wrong two spots you are jumping.

This is the fuel relay on mine...


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432696755.jpg

This is the relay wires that are jumped...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432696793.jpg

And this is the two slots that you actually jump with a jumper wire to get the pump to operate ...


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432696875.jpg

Timco 05-26-2015 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 451385)
ok hopefully you got the wrong two spots you are jumping.

This is the fuel relay on mine...


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432696755.jpg

This is the relay wires that are jumped...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432696793.jpg

And this is the two slots that you actually jump with a jumper wire to get the pump to operate ...


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432696875.jpg

On mine, 30 & 87 are the edge slots, or the other two. It's also depicted that way on the schematic on the back. I'll look at the numbers on the face. I sure hope I got it wrong too, friends. :confused:

As for the fuse, I can assure you it was checked!

healthservices 05-26-2015 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 451386)
On mine, 30 & 87 are the edge slots, or the other two. It's also depicted that way on the schematic on the back. I'll look at the numbers on the face. I sure hope I got it wrong too, friends. :confused:

As for the fuse, I can assure you it was checked!

I think you have the wrong relay as pelican shows this...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432702720.jpg


Your car is one of those right?

If it is then we use the same relay. And if we use the same relay then 30 and 87 are these...


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432702810.jpg

And looking at the fuse box it would be one standing up and one laid down in the middle of the square and at the bottom of it....

like this...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432696875.jpg

Timco 05-27-2015 05:06 AM

So I put on my big-boy reading glasses. You are absolutely correct. As soon as I jump those proper terminals, the lights dim a bit and I hear a thunk and get a spark from an electrical load. With that jumped there's no fuel at the shrader on the fuel rail.

Hello FP.

healthservices 05-27-2015 08:35 AM

Great now time for some more diagnostics !!!

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healthservices 05-27-2015 08:38 AM

Cool, at least now you can move forward instead of banging your head!!!

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Timco 05-27-2015 11:36 AM

I really appreciate all the help, this site is great. :)

Please, to show my appreciation, allow me to renew the memberships of anyone who posted in this thread when they are up for renewal!

;)

Jamesp 05-27-2015 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 451406)
So I put on my big-boy reading glasses. You are absolutely correct. As soon as I jump those proper terminals, the lights dim a bit and I hear a thunk and get a spark from an electrical load. With that jumped there's no fuel at the shrader on the fuel rail.

Hello FP.

Do you hear the mellow sound of the pump whirring away? It was dead obvious when I drained my tank. No thunk.

Timco 05-27-2015 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 451466)
Do you hear the mellow sound of the pump whirring away? It was dead obvious when I drained my tank. No thunk.

Nope. A single thunk every time I apply power, and cabin lights dim, and quite a spark, and zero fuel in rail.

healthservices 05-27-2015 05:51 PM

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well pull the covers off the battery...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432777266.jpg


pull the battery...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432777311.jpg

The tray...


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432777369.jpg


and there is your tank cover...

put a jumper on the battery terminals...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432777444.jpg


one of these two is the fuel line pinch and pull at the tab, revealing the barb, hook a hose to it and jump the relay again, fuel should come out if not bad fuel pump ur no power at the pump.

healthservices 05-27-2015 06:00 PM

Unplug the connector at the top of the tank and with the jumper in the relay socket check for power and ground at connectorhttp://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432778369.jpg

Timco 05-31-2015 10:10 AM

I am determined to do these fixes. Without the help of this website I would not be driving my Porsche on this sunny day. Many thanks to all. Too many fixes to list here. I'll update another thread with pics. Hope to inspire someone else to do their clutch and IMS and this stuff.

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszsu9jc3m.jpg

healthservices 05-31-2015 10:39 AM

So all is good? So the last repair was a replacement pump??

:)

Timco 05-31-2015 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 451972)
So all is good? So the last repair was a replacement pump??

:)

Correct. Fuel pump and it fired up instantly, no puff of smoke or stutter or anything. Runs very smooth with new IMS. Much quieter with my welded flanges and not those clamps.

BFeller 05-31-2015 02:52 PM

Good news and looks like great driving weather. No smog inversion like in winter?

KRAM36 05-31-2015 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 451969)
I am determined to do these fixes. Without the help of this website I would not be driving my Porsche on this sunny day. Many thanks to all. Too many fixes to list here. I'll update another thread with pics. Hope to inspire someone else to do their clutch and IMS and this stuff.

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszsu9jc3m.jpg

Now that's a nice sight. Glad you got it worked out. Never seen those wheels before, what did they come from?


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