Last thing I wanna do...

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

ahhh disagree completely. I have been pulled over more times in this car than all previous cars combined. But I think it's more to do with it being a flashy roadster than because it's a Porsche. Either way, foreign expensive looking sports car. I'm sure the same would have happened had this been a Merc or Bimmer convertible. The irony is that I have been a model driver during this time yet the smokeys are always on the prowl. One guy sniffed me out, while I was observing the speed limit mind you, and followed me for five minutes on this winding road waiting for me to screw up. Then he gets on his microphone (I had the top down) and and says "Porsche guy, radar detectors make you look GUILTY...". That's where is where I wish I had my own bullhorn so I could have replied "like the V1 was what caught your attention in the first place!".
Every other time it's some other thing like the no license plate (didn't have one on the previous cars either, but only pulled over in this car for it). And recently one cop tailed me and ran my plate even though I wasn't doing anything wrong and discovered that one town had gone after my license over a single unpaid parking meter ticket resulting in a license suspension (apparently SOP here in NJ according to my lawyer). The cop claimed my tail light wasn't working when I hit the brakes but after he wrote up the ticket I drove up to the gas station up the street and checked out the lights, nothing wrong at all.

The other thread you refer to mentioned a review of tickets issued by police but not the number of times certain cars were pulled over by police. I have been pulled over ~20-30 times in this car but only about 1/4 of those resulted in an actual ticket which I of course fought and had reduced to non-points fines. That other study of only citations that were issued might give the reader the impression that I never attract the attention of police, which is most certainly not the case. So this car has actually encouraged me to observe the speed limit just to avoid the hassle. But since first going through high performance driving instruction I find that I look at the road ahead differently with more respect for the braking distances required. So I'm always looking for escape routes/buffers which means I have to maintain distance to the cars in front which of course requires one to slow down.
Someone who is constantly weaving in and out of traffic is just showing you they foolishly put too much faith in the driving ability of the other drivers he doesn't know the first thing about. Should one of these slow pokes do something unexpected, the guy in the hurry can end up teets up in the middle of highway a.ka. "the early exit". An experienced and competent driver doesn't put that kind of blind faith in drivers he doesn't know.

Unfortunately, with no scientific evidence to back up either of us, we will just have to agree (or not) to disagree. I've never been pulled over in my Box and while it is a small sample size, I have every confidence in my local and provincial police to not waste their time pulling me over unless I deserve it.
But I do appreciate everyone will have personal opinions/takes on this and different areas of the world might also influence this.

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by Giller

But I do appreciate everyone will have personal opinions/takes on this and different areas of the world might also influence this.

Our devoted and dearest law enforcement officers are trained to recognize abnormalities in people behaviors. That include "Driving behaviors". If you get pulled over, either you have broke traffic regulation(s), the law, or simply look really weird

Nothing to do with the car itself - guess how many boxsters, other sport cars and broken pick-up trucks an officer sees on a working shift. Does he/she care much about the make of your friggin car LOLLL go ask them

In China, speeding 50% over the advertised speed limit brings you a nice 15days holiday in jail, a criminal record, car impounded on the spot and your driving license suspended for 12months. Irresponsible jerks aren't tolerated much here... German, Italian car or not. People behave... in the large cities where the policy is enforced

Zero tolerance also - 0% alcohol. One sip, 30 days in jail. Eat that!

[CHRISP357]

For many of us, it comes down to this. Would you marry a super model and not "sample the goods" with frightening regularity? So why would you buy a 160 mph car and drive 55?

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by Giller

Unfortunately, with no scientific evidence to back up either of us, we will just have to agree (or not) to disagree. I've never been pulled over in my Box and while it is a small sample size, I have every confidence in my local and provincial police to not waste their time pulling me over unless I deserve it.
But I do appreciate everyone will have personal opinions/takes on this and different areas of the world might also influence this.

Don't worry Giller, PL is always right and always ready to compose a novel to anyone in doubt to explain why.

BTW.....I neither have been pulled over in the Porsches I have owned, not to mention several other sport / muscle cars I have owned (2 of them even red). Last two tickets were in an SUV and a station wagon lol........

[linderpat]

Originally Posted by SJEFFB986

.. So why risk becomming that "$#$@! Frickin A-hole Jerk $#%#!! speeding in that Porsche!! "


So my advice to all Porsche owners is take it easy, enjoy the car but don't act arrogant and reckless in traffic..do that in your SUV..ha ha...

Geez, you must be an accountant. I buy mine to drive them as fast as I safely can. If I was worried about the things you mention, I'd buy a Camry and be done with it. You can't truly enjoy these cars unless they are driven the way they were designed to be driven. I could honestly care less what others think of me when I drive in any event. Also, I never get pulled over in my Boxster, and had many more police incidents in my Mustang and 928. I don't see Boxsters as cop magnets at all, at least around here.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Giller

Unfortunately, with no scientific evidence to back up either of us, we will just have to agree (or not) to disagree. I've never been pulled over in my Box and while it is a small sample size, I have every confidence in my local and provincial police to not waste their time pulling me over unless I deserve it.
But I do appreciate everyone will have personal opinions/takes on this and different areas of the world might also influence this.

Yes I think it's largely to do with the jurisdiction or the "police culture" of a certain area rather than the car itself. For instance in all the the times I have been stopped only one or two occurred in a big city and these were jut check points. Most times I was stopped were either in small towns, where the cops conducted themselves in a far more ill-tempered manner or I was stopped on the highway. The latter I always found interesting because cars traveling faster than me were not stopped and the tickets were always closer to 10 miles over the speed limit than 20 or 30.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by linderpat

Geez, you must be an accountant. I buy mine to drive them as fast as I safely can. If I was worried about the things you mention, I'd buy a Camry and be done with it. You can't truly enjoy these cars unless they are driven the way they were designed to be driven. I could honestly care less what others think of me when I drive in any event. Also, I never get pulled over in my Boxster, and had many more police incidents in my Mustang and 928. I don't see Boxsters as cop magnets at all, at least around here.

First, drive them as fast as I safely can - how do you determine what that speed is then? Cause unfortunately, you are not alone on the road out there. All it takes is for you to be zooming along at whatever your 'safety speed' is - and then all of a sudden someone pulls out in front of you. What do you do then? Hit him, or go into the ditch or try to change lanes quick and hope no one else is there? That's the thing. When you drive over the speed limit, you are risking everyones life, not just yours.
When I'm on the highway, I know if I can safely pass someone based on many factors, one of which is the speed of oncoming traffic. If you suddenly appear out of nowhere because you are zooming along far above the speed limit, that creates a huge issue for me if I'm in the middle of passing someone - someone that I could safely pass if you were obeying the law.
If you want to drive them super fast, take the car to the track or move to Germany and enjoy the Autobahn.

[clickman]

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[jb92563]

Giller vs Perfect Lap debate

Just another observation...LOCATION.

Ontario Canada vs NJ USA.

When I lived in Canada and drove to work in Toronto every day (40 miles) I may not see a police cruiser along the way every day or for days at a time.

Now in Southern California I drive 15 miles and see no less than 3 police cruisers every day, usually about 6 cruisers on the evening drive.

The quantity of patrol cars here in the US cities is staggering compared to Ontario, Canada. Hence the difference in experiences.

Some days I feel like I'm getting a police escort to and from work
but I have learned their patrol times and locations, plus have radar detector and know where I can turn it loose for a few seconds here and there.

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by Giller

If you want to drive them super fast, take the car to the track or move to Germany and enjoy the Autobahn.

^ A+

Does your PCAs offers discount at some your local tracks or int'l circuits? They do here.... pcar owners gets 20% discount on track days/session tickets here. Lasrt time I've heard anyway, might be more now dunno

Might be something you guys want to recommend for your local PCA org to look into and organize. I don't personally track my little red boxster toy but have other means to get me going at 200mph on the local circuits. Geez my practice superbike has more horsepower than my boxster lollll

For me the boxster is a fun, peppy and stylish roadster, but nothing to go fast with at all (in a straight line maybe lol). My 2.0 VW Passat is faster for god sake...

[SJEFFB986]

Originally Posted by linderpat

Geez, you must be an accountant. I buy mine to drive them as fast as I safely can. If I was worried about the things you mention, I'd buy a Camry and be done with it. You can't truly enjoy these cars unless they are driven the way they were designed to be driven. I could honestly care less what others think of me when I drive in any event. Also, I never get pulled over in my Boxster, and had many more police incidents in my Mustang and 928. I don't see Boxsters as cop magnets at all, at least around here.

Not too far off....Engineer. Ha ha...

I'll save my excessive speed for the track and not the highway. Like I said I keep up with and pass people regularily on the highway..80-90 mph.. It's the other person who doesn't see me I'm worried about!

Glad to see so many drivers with interesting opinions...even the person who told me basically to shove it!

[cfos]

Originally Posted by linderpat

blah blah blah... You can't truly enjoy these cars unless they are driven the way they were designed to be driven. I could honestly care less what others think of me when I drive in any event... yada yada yada.

I've never understood that statement:

"Drive these cars the way they were designed to be driven." [sic]

It's a philosophy that escapes me because it seems to only apply to specific cars (yet BMW people et al., all feel the same way, too) and to nothing else.

For example, should the 2nd amendment-ors here only use guns for what they were designed to do? Of course not. *wink*

Alternatively, if a 2015 Toyota Camry is designed with a top speed of 120mph, was it designed with the intention of people driving 100+mph? Interesting dilemma, wouldn't you say? I mean, if it wasn't meant to be driven at over 100mph, why is it designed with a top speed of 120mph? It doesn't make sense. Why does a Toyota need to go over 90mph? But it does!?!



Sarcasm aside, I really like the combination of the two sentences above - The opinion about the only way one can truly obtain fulfillment, followed by the personal disclaimer. I'll tell you why too - it's truly fantastic - if both statements are true, I don't think that... what's this guy's name... linderpat, yeah, that's it - linderpat - as I was saying, I don't think linderpat has any ground to reply to this post, right? I mean he could care less about what people think about his driving in an event (which is based on the philosophy of driving the car the way it was designed to be driven)- surely, he could care even less about what someone types about these statements, right? Otherwise, his disclaimer is false. Or... if the disclaimer is false, then is the prior sentence also invalid? An interesting case... let's watch and see what happens.

Oh wait, I forgot to start out this post with a Ricky Bobby-ism, "With all due respect..." There. Now there is no way any offense could be taken.



Carry on.

[Jamesp]

This thread is incredibly silly. Can't we just get back to gun toting cats flipping smart cars for old time's sake?

[CHRISP357]

Hey cfos, "designed for" and "capable of are two significantly different things. Now I'm not going to lie, I didn't read your entire post but I would bet that when you aren't in it, your husband drives it pretty aggressively!

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by cfos

I've never understood that statement:

"Drive these cars the way they were designed to be driven." [sic]

LOLLL

Never really understood myself.... all/any cars were designed to be driven. In the context I think what people mean by saying this is the Porsche cars are designed to take the beat-up, you can push them to the limits and they'll still give out plenty.

^ whatever...

smart car flipping... now we're talking!

[jsceash]

I believe this was posted recently
Top 20 most ticketed cars (by percent of owners)
1. Subaru WRX – 33.6%
2. Pontiac GTO – 32.7%
3. Scion FR-S – 32.6%
4. Toyota Supra – 30.8%
5. Subaru Tribeca – 29.7%
6. Volkswagen Rabbit – 29.6%
7. Mercury Topaz – 28.8%
8. Scion tC – 28.8%
9. Toyota FJ Cruiser – 28.4%
10. Mazda2 – 28.1%
11. Hyundai Veloster – 28.1%
12. Volkswagen GTI – 28.1%
13. Suzuki Reno – 28.1%
14. Scion xA – 27.8%
15. Pontiac G8 – 27.7%
16. MINI Cooper S Countryman – 27.5%
17. Mitsubishi 3000 GT – 27.4%
18. Saturn Aura – 27.1%
19. Infiniti QX56/QX80 – 27.1%
20. Toyota Prius C – 27.0%
Source: Insurance.com

[cfos]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

Hey cfos, "designed for" and "capable of are two significantly different things. Now I'm not going to lie, I didn't read your entire post but I would bet that when you aren't in it, your husband drives it pretty aggressively!

Yes, it's pretty clear you didn't read that one or the one I was referring to -- if you did, you'd know that there was no talk about "capacity/capability" only "design".

That's fine; I'm sure when your husband isn't helping you with reading comprehension (and closing quotes), you aren't at your possible best. But then... how could you be? Aside from Particlewave who probably think's it's Mecca, at the end of the day you are in Idaho. It's great that you can read! ...Well, sort-of... I mean at least the words, them concepts can be down-right tough! XOXO

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[Timco]

Originally Posted by cfos

Yes, it's pretty clear you didn't read that one or the one I was referring to -- if you did, you'd know that there was no talk about "capacity/capability" only "design".

That's fine; I'm sure when your husband isn't helping you with reading comprehension (and closing quotes), you aren't at your possible best. But then... how could you be? Aside from Particlewave who probably think's it's Mecca, at the end of the day you are in Idaho. It's great that you can read! ...Well, sort-of... I mean at least the words, them concepts can be down-right tough! XOXO

When I read the post you quoted, the first thing I thought was "they finally got internet up there???"

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by bigjake111

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