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Old 05-08-2014, 07:08 AM   #1
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No reason to get into an argument with folks that honestly don't think you can hear a difference in the gauge of wire. Fine, not my car. Leave the stock wiring.

But for you to say "wire is wire" and there is "no way to hear a difference" is spewing uninformed garbage. Have you really sat down and hooked up different types of wire to compare and actually hear if there is a difference? turns out I have...

You are a really big help on this forum, where people come for advice, to basically state your "opinions" without facts. thanks for posting...
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Old 05-08-2014, 08:28 AM   #2
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No reason to get into an argument with folks that honestly don't think you can hear a difference in the gauge of wire. Fine, not my car. Leave the stock wiring.

But for you to say "wire is wire" and there is "no way to hear a difference" is spewing uninformed garbage. Have you really sat down and hooked up different types of wire to compare and actually hear if there is a difference? turns out I have...

You are a really big help on this forum, where people come for advice, to basically state your "opinions" without facts. thanks for posting...
C'mon, spewing? Really?

the OP did not state a bugdet in his post, therefore I, and others gave alternatives that were lower cost, such as speakers that fit without mods and leaving existing wiring in place. I made sure not to post an opinion on the 'goodness' of pioneer or any othe brand speakers.

As for asking have I really sat down and hooked up different types of wire to hear a difference? The answer is yes, most likely long before your first mp3 player.

I can hear, especially on the lower end with quality, larger gauge speaker wire. You can hear a slight difference in transients with high quality interconnets. In fact, I have some very nice cabling in my home system.

No way you'd hear either improvement in a moving convertible.

I'm sorry you think those with differnent views only state opinion while you state fact.

Your install looks top notch and I have no doubt it sounds great and is a huge improvement over the factory setup. One quick question...in your thread, you listed all your components but didn't list the type and brand of cabling used for in the build. Was that simply an oversight?

The fact, and not an opinion, is, not everyone wants to spend 20 or 30% of the value of their 14 year old car in a really cool stereo. More power to those that do.

Spewing Evil, out.
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Call me a total idiot when it comes to audio

all that time I was convinced that the main feature of larger/expansive gauge cabling was focused on "professional shielding" to prevent noise, static and emi... other interferences loll

Not much to do with larger/faster data xfer = better sound quality

Was I wrong?
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Where is the grommet located for stereo wiring access

Hi Think I found the spigot looking grommet for the stereo wires but would like to make sure. Does anyone have a picture of it??
Also, does the grommet come out (easily)?? That would make tracing wires a lot easier.
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Hi Think I found the spigot looking grommet for the stereo wires but would like to make sure. Does anyone have a picture of it??
Also, does the grommet come out (easily)?? That would make tracing wires a lot easier.
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I don't have a picture but if you are at the front of your car looking toward the windshield, it is a black rubber disc about 4"in diameter, just to the drivers side of the battery. In the interior, is is almost directly above the gas pedal.

You don't have to take it out, just cut an "X" slit in the disc to slip your wiring through. The disc cuts easily.
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I'm assuming after you cut the 'X' and run the wires then seal it with silicone??
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Call me a total idiot when it comes to audio

all that time I was convinced that the main feature of larger/expansive gauge cabling was focused on "professional shielding" to prevent noise, static and emi... other interferences loll

Not much to do with larger/faster data xfer = better sound quality

Was I wrong?
The main "feature" of the expensive wire is higher revenues to the company selling it LOL.
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Replacing the wire could definitely change the sound of the speakers depending on what you use. I just think the factory wires coming from the stock amp were decent enough to reuse.

I've been doing audio for a long time and it's my profession. When I did car audio I was sponsored by both Scoche and Monster for wiring over the years. I've heard the differences. I personally think quality rca's and proper routing of the wires is more important. But that's just my opinion. Besides I was too lazy to fish 14GA through the door molex and boot.
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all that time I was convinced that the main feature of larger/expansive gauge cabling was focused on "professional shielding" to prevent noise, static and emi... other interferences loll

Not much to do with larger/faster data xfer = better sound quality

Was I wrong?
Quality wire will definitely help the sound quality. The rca's are ceptable to interference which can lead to engine whine through the stereo. Using proper Guage power wire is also important to the amps. For 99% of the installs on a box the amps will be in the frunk so the run isn't too long but still better to use thick power wire depending on how much power you're running.

Again just my opinion.

To the OP good luck with the install! The new stereo will sound better than the stock one for sure. Oh one last tip. Make sure you correctly connect the speakers polarity to your amp/head unit. You will definitely have poor bass response if you don't.
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