The Macan is quite good.

[Perfectlap]

Eroding the brand?

It's been erroded. Past tense. More than half of all the Porsches sold are not sports cars. They are in fact luxury sedans and luxury SUVs. They are using the sports car heritage to sell luxury cars.
Today the average Porsche driver is like the average mountain bike owner. They never go near the trails with their bike. It mainly sits nicely pampered in a garage, just like the Porsche.

Not that there's anything wrong with making money on back of racing success. It's what car companies do. But there's no point in saying that yet another non-sports car is going to change what's already been altered signficantly. Now as a luxury brand however, Porsche adding more cars will indeed dilute the perception of exclusivity. Look at Mercedes. They have more cars than Starbucks has warm beverage varities. Today owning a Merc is not nearly as special as it once was.

As for this little SUV. I don't get this concept of making workboots equal parts fancy and fast. People seem just to default to an SUV because that's the trendy thing to do. But now they want their trendy car to be different than all the other mass produced SUVs. Seems like silly herd-following mentality to me. I've lost count of the number of people I know who want an SUV because they claim they need the space even though the back seat is empty 99% of the time. Meanwhile they are less safe in these SUVs than a more nimble, lighter, better braking sedan and these SUVs are a royal pain in the arse to see over or past. Especially at intersections when the SUV behind you decides to pull up next to you and blocks your view of oncoming traffic...because he can't wait. And as an every day cylclist virtually every close call with someone running me off the road or even making contact with me has been a moron texting, shaving, primping in a big SUV that they can't see around.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Eroding the brand?

It's been erroded. Past tense. More than half of all the Porsches sold are not sports cars. They are in fact luxury sedans and luxury SUVs. They are using the sports car heritage to sell luxury cars.
Today the average Porsche driver is like the average mountain bike owner. They never go near the trails with their bike. It mainly sits nicely pampered in a garage, just like the Porsche.

Not that there's anything wrong with making money on back of racing success. It's what car companies do. But there's no point in saying that yet another non-sports car is going to change what's already been altered signficantly. Now as a luxury brand however, Porsche adding more cars will indeed dilute the perception of exclusivity. Look at Mercedes. They have more cars than Starbucks has warm beverage varities. Today owning a Merc is not nearly as special as it once was.

As for this little SUV. I don't get this concept of making workboots equal parts fancy and fast. People seem just to default to an SUV because that's the trendy thing to do. But now they want their trendy car to be different than all the other mass produced SUVs. Seems like silly herd-following mentality to me. I've lost count of the number of people I know who want an SUV because they claim they need the space even though the back seat is empty 99% of the time. Meanwhile they are less safe in these SUVs than a more nimble, lighter, better braking sedan and these SUVs are a royal pain in the arse to see over or past. Especially at intersections when the SUV behind you decides to pull up next to you and blocks your view of oncoming traffic...because he can't wait. And as an every day cylclist virtually every close call with someone running me off the road or even making contact with me has been a moron texting, shaving, primping in a big SUV that they can't see around.

I've never met someone so sure of what everyone thinks and holds to be truths. Except Every republican, of course.

Owning a Merc(ury?) isn't so special as it once was? My, my -- I will await for Merc to issue an apology for letting customers feel less important, successful, and haughty, and be sure to disrespect all Merc(ury and cedes) owners and better educate them on their horrible taste.

So, I guess Nordstroms is off limits, too, because it is no longer a shoe store? Hey, let me know when it's ok to respect someone from Jersey, you know, since Christie's bridge closing fiasco, the Garden State Pkwy, the failed tummy-tape surgery, and the Orange cast of Jersey Shore that has tainted you folks so bad that NJ was kicked out of the Tri-state area.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

Owning a Merc(ury?) isn't so special as it once was? My, my -- I will await for Merc to issue an apology for letting customers feel less important, successful, and haughty, and be sure to disrespect all Merc(ury and cedes) owners and better educate them on their horrible taste.

So, I guess Nordstroms is off limits, too, because it is no longer a shoe store? Hey, let me know when it's ok to respect someone from Jersey, you know, since Christie's bridge closing fiasco, the failed tummy-tape surgery, and the cast of Jersey Shore that has tainted you folks so bad that NJ was kicked out of the Tri-state area.

Jersey Shore cast are not from NJ.

No need for ad hom swipes. You bought a car not an identity, no need to defend it as if it were.

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Jersey Shore cast are not from NJ.

No need for ad hom.

Practice what thy preach - especially with SUV fans and drivers and being "trendy". I means, is it possible that someone may want an SUV because they have kids or are at a different point in their life, or just think a given car is "cool"? And, please spell out, for the non-legally or non-philosophically inclined. Not everyone is enlightened. And you are right - I did buy a car. I didn't buy an identity nor can I quote race histories, times and lap challenges, as others seem to profess in their posts and threads. I also don't profess to know much about what others think, believe, and say - again, unlike others that seem to positively know what everyone else thinks and feels.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

Practice what thy preach - especially with SUV fans and drivers and being "trendy". I means, is it possible that someone may want an SUV because they have kids? And, please spell out, for the non-legally or non-philosophically inclined. Not everyone is enlightened.

Oh brother.omeone says owning a Mercedes isn't as unique as it once was, an opinion nothing more, and you take offense as if it were somehow a critique on the owner rather than the car company itself? Then to top off such thin-skin, you make an attack on an entire state? And you do so by including folks who aren't even from that state? Fail on top of fail.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Oh brother.omeone says owning a Mercedes isn't as unique as it once was, an opinion nothing more, and you take offense as if it were somehow a critique on the owner rather than the car company itself? Then to top off such thin-skin, you make an attack on an entire state? And you do so by including folks who aren't even from that state? Fail on top of fail.

Not to mention singling out an entire political party as idiots while he is at.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Oh brother.omeone says owning a Mercedes isn't as unique as it once was, an opinion nothing more, and you take offense as if it were somehow a critique on the owner rather than the car company itself? Then to top off such thin-skin, you make an attack on an entire state? And you do so by including folks who aren't even from that state? Fail on top of fail.

Huh. I never realized your posts were an opinion (assuming you've owned a Mercedes) -- nothing more, -- and my posts are vitriol mandated and signed by Obama and Jeremy Clarkson (being a BMW owner, I guess my attitude is expected). However, I do apologize regarding the Jersey Shore cast being from Jersey. I really couldn't stomach the show so I never did watch it or do much research on it. I have had, though, the displeasure of being on the toll-every-five-feet Garden State, so, I do not apologize for that comment nor for Christie's (?) and staff's actions.

Having said that, I formally apologize to all those offended by that remark about the Jersey Shore cast being from Jersey, and will immediately write all the owners of the Jets and Giants to rename their teams, since they play in Jersey, and not New York. Oh, and since some good does come from Jersey, I do still listen and like Bon Jovi, Wanted Dead or Alive. That counts for something, right?

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

No need for ad hom swipes.

Plap, i totally agree about the suvs and suv people.... look at the G-Class.. i would love to own one because it is a beast off road, but now its the concrete jungle that they prowl in. I dont see an issue with Porsche making suvs, as long as they are class leading which they are. I guess our only hope is when these trendy folk buy a macan for the badge, they will see how great it handles and such and they too will catch the Porsche bug. The entry to Porsche performance isnt the boxster, its one of their luxury cars, then you have brand loyalty and come back for one of the sports cars.

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Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Plap, i totally agree about the suvs and suv people.... look at the G-Class.. i would love to own one because it is a beast off road...

Almost forgot to reply. I'd be careful about this one, Jake, I hear owning a Merc isn't what it used to be. Maybe it's no longer the "beast" you think it is. Besides, you'd be a horrible driver, by your own omission, if you had one. We only (apparently) deal with absolutes, here.