11-10-2005, 07:42 PM
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Awesome stuff! Super easy to use, glass finish, I have tried all types of car care products and will never go back to anything but Zaino.
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2007 Lexus RX350
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11-10-2005, 07:47 PM
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If I were to detail my car is this the correct process?
1.Wash(Meguiar's Gold Class)
2.Dry(Microfiber Drying Towel)
3.Z-1 Show Car Polish Lok
4.Z-5 Show Car Polish for Swirl Marks and Fine Scratches
5.Z-6 Ultra Clean Gloss Enhancer Spray
6.Z-8 Grand Finale Spray Seal
Is that the right process?
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-01' S Orient Red Metallic 6-spd...money pit...sold to buy a house
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11-10-2005, 08:13 PM
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Location: Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota, USA
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Hi,
Zaino is all I have used for years on my Lotus Esprit, Datsun 240Z and my Boxster. Simply the best...
Happy Motoring!...Jim'99
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11-11-2005, 05:44 AM
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I've now used both the Zaino and Klasse products. My Boxster has been Zaino only; I applied Klasse AIO and SG on the daily driver last week after doing a PC buffing to remove swirls and scratches. As such, I can't do a 100% A/B comparison (because of the different cars/paint colors and condition) but I found the finished results for a basic job to be similar. By basic job I mean not doing massive layering, just one application of the "base" product (AIO/PolishLok) and one of the "topper" (SG/Z3 or 5).
I found them both to be easy to use - similar application and removal. The difference for me seems to be in subjective areas:
1) Zaino has way more "fragrance" than Klasse (some might call it stink - really strong chemical "fruity" smell) when applying it,
2) Zaino has a complete line that is billed as 100% compatible - so no need to wash off the detailer spray to apply another layer of finish, the soap is finish enhancing, etc. - but folks have lots of "tricks" for applying stuff over Klasse and the Klasse AIO can supposedly be used as a car wash too in low concentrations, etc.
3) Zaino has lots of other "stuff" to spend your money on... T-Shirts and Stickers you can pay for to do their advertising  , etc.
4) Klasse can be obtained in many places at different prices. You can combine orders with other car care products so arguably you can save on shipping when buying other stuff. Zaino is sold from their web site only (at least in my experience to date) and there seems to be just one price and shipping cost as a consequence.
The two product lines are roughly the same cost (at least on a per ounce and frequency of practical use basis). They may specify different application rates but in practical terms you end up using just as much of each for an application (you'd need to be using a pipette to "measure" the fractions of an ounce you add to the applicator as you go along, otherwise).
I have no way yet to talk to the relative durability of each, but in many ways I think this is a moot point - I don't think anyone that cares about their car's finish will wait for the product to fail before reapplying it. Most likely you're going to put more on in a few weeks or months and that will be well within the time of it stopping providing protection.
So bottom line, I think this will boil down to a religious argument. There will be adherents to each product and appearance preferences but no truly "scientific" way that will be accepted by all to figure out which is "the one". The good news is they are both great options for folks that like a good look and a finish that has extended protection. I heartily recommend both.
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11-11-2005, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by donv
I've now used both the Zaino and Klasse products. My Boxster has been Zaino only; I applied Klasse AIO and SG on the daily driver last week after doing a PC buffing to remove swirls and scratches. As such, I can't do a 100% A/B comparison (because of the different cars/paint colors and condition) but I found the finished results for a basic job to be similar. By basic job I mean not doing massive layering, just one application of the "base" product (AIO/PolishLok) and one of the "topper" (SG/Z3 or 5).
I found them both to be easy to use - similar application and removal. The difference for me seems to be in subjective areas:
1) Zaino has way more "fragrance" than Klasse (some might call it stink - really strong chemical "fruity" smell) when applying it,
2) Zaino has a complete line that is billed as 100% compatible - so no need to wash off the detailer spray to apply another layer of finish, the soap is finish enhancing, etc. - but folks have lots of "tricks" for applying stuff over Klasse and the Klasse AIO can supposedly be used as a car wash too in low concentrations, etc.
3) Zaino has lots of other "stuff" to spend your money on... T-Shirts and Stickers you can pay for to do their advertising  , etc.
4) Klasse can be obtained in many places at different prices. You can combine orders with other car care products so arguably you can save on shipping when buying other stuff. Zaino is sold from their web site only (at least in my experience to date) and there seems to be just one price and shipping cost as a consequence.
The two product lines are roughly the same cost (at least on a per ounce and frequency of practical use basis). They may specify different application rates but in practical terms you end up using just as much of each for an application (you'd need to be using a pipette to "measure" the fractions of an ounce you add to the applicator as you go along, otherwise).
I have no way yet to talk to the relative durability of each, but in many ways I think this is a moot point - I don't think anyone that cares about their car's finish will wait for the product to fail before reapplying it. Most likely you're going to put more on in a few weeks or months and that will be well within the time of it stopping providing protection.
So bottom line, I think this will boil down to a religious argument. There will be adherents to each product and appearance preferences but no truly "scientific" way that will be accepted by all to figure out which is "the one". The good news is they are both great options for folks that like a good look and a finish that has extended protection. I heartily recommend both.
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Hi,
You make several good points, and yes, some will say Tomato while others say Tom ahto.
But, I personally know Sal Zaino and Zaino's dedication to producing good, effective products is unbelievable, he's never satisfied and is constantly developing their Products and Product Line. This guy eats and breathes Car Care.
There are several objective independent tests of Zaino against other Brands, (although I don't know of a comparison to Klasse). Zaino always comes out on top. See one here from the NSX Owners Magazine: http://www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html
Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
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11-11-2005, 03:41 PM
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The same NSX test was the one that got me to go Zaino first back in 2001. I've never applied anything but Zaino on the Boxster and expect it to stay that way. I remember at first there were few Zaino users around and folks told me I should go with wax to avoid "ruining" my paint with the synthetic product.
I would love to see the NSX sort of test done again, but including Klasse (and maybe Rejex) so there would be more than one synthetic coating being compared. If someone wants to donate a mint condition Boxster hood panel as a test mule, I'll run the test in my backyard - a full four season environment  .
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Originally Posted by MNBoxster
There are several objective independent tests of Zaino against other Brands, (although I don't know of a comparison to Klasse). Zaino always comes out on top. See one here from the NSX Owners Magazine: http://www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html
Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
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11-11-2005, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by blinkwatt
If I were to detail my car is this the correct process?
1.Wash(Meguiar's Gold Class)
2.Dry(Microfiber Drying Towel)
3.Z-1 Show Car Polish Lok
4.Z-5 Show Car Polish for Swirl Marks and Fine Scratches
5.Z-6 Ultra Clean Gloss Enhancer Spray
6.Z-8 Grand Finale Spray Seal
Is that the right process?
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blink,
Check the Zaino site. I think they still recommend a first time wash with Dawn to get all of the wax off the car. Then (optional) clay the car. Apply Z1. Then, a couple of coats or so of Z5 until you're satisfied the swirl marks have been "chased away." Then, hit it with a coat or 2 or Z2 to make the shine super deep. Finish up with Z6 and it will sparkle. I've never used Z8.
I have done this to my daily driver, a black Miata. It shines, shines, shines. The Box got the same treatment, sans Z5.
I've used Zaino for about 5 years and gotten about a billion compliments.
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11-11-2005, 09:19 AM
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If I were to use z2 would I really need the ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator?
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-99' Zenith Blue 5-spd...didn't agree with a center divider on the freeway
-01' S Orient Red Metallic 6-spd...money pit...sold to buy a house
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11-11-2005, 09:35 AM
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Location: Chicago
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ZAINO IS THE BEST
I studied a lot of products out there. Also read a lot of forums. The Corvette guys all swear by Zaino, and you know how much they like to show of their cars!
I purchased the Zaino Total Protection Show Car Kit. This is an all inclusive starter kit. Well worth the money. See link below.
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZKIT-1&Category_Code=Zaino
I recommend looking at all advice on thier site and then folloing instructions to the letter. Wash with Dawn first time to strip away all old wax and polish. Then clay. If you have never clayed a car before, it is amazing. The surface will be like glass.
My Box has about 15 coats of Z2 and Z5 (ZFX is a must) and it looks awsome. The depth of the paint is what really amazes people. This stuff is optically designed to bring out the best of the paint, not just shine.
I also detailed my 93 Mercedes and 01 Lexus with amazing results also. But none like my new Box. Trouble is that I dont want to take it out unless it is dry and clear. Need to get over it!
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11-12-2005, 08:01 AM
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Thanks for link and advice. I admit I'd never heard of it. PCA gurus mostly push P21S. Think I'll have to try this stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,mike
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11-12-2005, 12:13 PM
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Take a look.......My baby has abuot 15 coats of Zaino....
Hope you can appreciat from picture
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11-11-2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by blinkwatt
If I were to use z2 would I really need the ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator?
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I have never used ZFX Flash Cure as it was "invented" after my last bulk purchase. I have only used Z1.
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