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Old 09-13-2005, 08:39 AM   #1
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986 or 987?? help please.

Ive got 2003 boxster s (meridian metalic) with 20.000km and:
-18"carrera wheels
-automatic aircondition
-sport seats with porsche logo
-sound packet plus
-colored wheels caps
-leather seats
-manual gear box
-gt3 front bumper
-windshot
-tinted windows
-xenon

AND I CAN CHANGE IT FOR : (but i need to pay 10.000$)

987 s 2005 with 7.000km (atlas grey) and:
-sport chrono
-tiptronic s
-leather seats
-automatic aircondition
-bixenon
-sound packet plus
-windshot
-18" standard boxster s wheels
and thats probably all...

What do you think about it?
Please help.

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Old 09-13-2005, 11:30 AM   #2
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Pros:

You'll get a car that is the first year of the model run, instead of the last and presumably most "solid" of the previous run. I don't think this is too much of an issue in that despite 80% of the 987 being new, the engines have basically been carried forward from the 986 although tweaked.

Basically double your warranty.

The 987 looks better, and is generally the superior car

Cons:

You'll be going from a manual (I assume) to a tiptronic 987 S, which will actually be slower than a 987 base and slower than your 2003 S. But then again, I'm not familiar with rush-hour traffic in Warsaw.

Doesn't seem to make much financial sense.
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:36 AM   #3
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Keep that 986S a couple of years man and buy the 987S when they have worked out the new car gremlins. Or buy that 05 987S in 2007 at a lower cost and use the saving to git yourself some nice TECH ART mods.
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Hi, I've got an '04 S and love it. I'm sure the '05 is better at everthing but, I have to say it's not worth going for an '05 987 (S) at this point. Unless of course you're having issues with the '03.


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I have to agree that it doesn't sound like a good idea financially. Better to wait a couple years!
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Thanks. I will wait.
And next year i wanna buy 997

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what about a Cayman S?


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Old 09-14-2005, 08:41 AM   #8
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i think that cayman s is a super car... but 997 is better but cost more... but i will wait and in 2006 i wanna buy one.
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I'll take a CaymanS over a 997 any day of the week.
Can't beat mid engine dynamics! wait til RUF get's a hold of it.
btw, I think the 997 looks like a VW beetle had a baby with an RX8.
The 996 Carrera will become a classic.
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I say keep the 03 S too, but I'm alittle biased. Do some slight suspension and engine modifications and the 987 will have nothing on your car.
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I think it is premature to talk about the Cayman S until we actually have some ON THE ROAD.

The 997 is a sweet ride, drove one recently.

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Why is the 987 the superior car? Don't forget to include the money to paint the side intakes, cause they look like $hit. And so do the cheap plastic silver interior parts. But I guess all that goes with the japanese transmission.
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Methinks I hear sour grapes, LexusPilot. Just about every auto writer on the face of the earth agrees that the 987 is better. And the Japanese transmission, by the way, is great (Does your name mean that you're also a Lexus owner. Has it got a German transmission?). That doesn't mean the (Finnish-built) 986 is a bad car by any stretch of the imagination. There'll always be something better coming along and the 987 owners will someday find that a new version is passing us by. Some may say that day is almost here with the Cayman. Few of us would be surprised if the Cayman engine ends up in the '07 987S. When that happens, I'm not gonna cry over 15 more horsepower. Hell, I turned down 120 more by not choosing the Corvette.

Over 10 years, I enjoyed every day of my 968 even as other cars began to surpass it in 0-60 and other measures. I say enjoy what you have instead of criticizing what you don't.
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I don't have sour grapes. I was just replying to the blanket statement above that the 987 is the superior car. I can buy one right now, but I didn't feel compelled to because it didn't feel that superior. I think superior was just the wrong word. Different? Updated? Those would be more apt. I am not stabbing at 987 owners either. I love 987's but that post above had a tone like the 986 was $hit.
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Over 10 years, I enjoyed every day of my 968 even as other cars began to surpass it in 0-60 and other measures. I say enjoy what you have instead of criticizing what you don't.


Thats what I say too. Why didn't you reply like that to the post above? I don't have 987 envy as you imply. If I did, I would just buy it. I just can't can't get over the silver plastic. I did ask if the sport wheel gets rid of the silver plastic but never found out. I got a new 986 because I like the all black interior, I mean all black. If that was available in a 987 I would have one I guess.

This is the post I replied about:
The 987 looks better, and is generally the superior car from sd987.

Superior is just not the right word.

What do you mean finnish built? Weren't only some built in Fin?
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Superior is a loaded word in comparing the 987 to the 986.
On performance I can accept that readily. A great argument for best
handling Porsche ever built?
But on design/looks/aestetics/etc. I would have to say its different but
ceratinly not better. That design isn't going to be on any top 10 lists in Excellence.

The 986 design went essentially unchanged for 8 YEARS and was still a great seller.
Will the 987 look last 8 years? We'll see...
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I would be very excited to see a 987S version 2.0:

No silver plastic
Color matched side intakes
New inside door panels - I admit I don't know how to change them but just something different.
Better looking wheels. I like the 5 spokes on the silver cayman photos, the one with the spokes that are wider at the rim than the hub. Sorry don't know the name.

AND not to have hijacked the thread....Enjoy the 986S mmmmm, ignore the urge to splurge. The 987 will be there if you change your mind later, they keep making more.

If I had a 986S on the other side of the pond, I'd cruise Budapest.
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What do you mean finnish built? Weren't only some built in Fin?
If you have U in your VIN, the car was built in Finland. S means Stuttgart. From what I've read, most Boxsters are built in Finland today. There have been stories that the quality control is better in Finland.

One reason why the 986 was a big seller is that it put a lot of people (many non-Porsche owners) into a Porsche convertible for an amount lower than they had seen in years. As I recall, the first 986s had a starting MSRP of $39,900, or something like that. The last 968 cabs were $51,900, excluding options, and at this price, there were few takers for a 4-cylinder. For the lower price, you got a six, but with 40 less horsepower, and they cheapened the interior even more (especially the seats). If I remember right, the lower horsepower and less aggressive looks are what led some people to label the Boxster a "chick car."

The 987 interior, at least in quality of materials, is a vast improvement over the miscellaneous black plastic bits in the 986. And for all the criticism of the 987's silver pieces, an awful lot of 986 owners have changed their interior trim to silver to give the car a richer look.
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convertibles will always be coined chick cars. Its unavoidable in a sub $100,000 car. And convertibles have by far been the best selling Porsches. The Boxster continued this at a time Porsche REALLY needed it.

I don't agree that the syling is less agressive.
from the windshield forward its a Carrera. Was the 996 considered less masculine than the 993? Losing the round headlights gave it a much bolder look.
And the rear fenders of the 986 are one of its strongest points.

interesting quote from Excellence review up the RUF 987 R Sypder:

"At roughly 135 pounds lighter than a CarreraS, the R Spyder is faster against the stop watch. Being mid-engined makes it more agile too. One drive in this car will give you the answer you already know as to why Porsche doesn't offer more powerful engine in its 987 line up."

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