03-02-2012, 12:03 PM
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Porscheectomy
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POTHOLE, have you ever driven an MGF? I've always been curious what they're like. We don't get them in NA.
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03-02-2012, 07:29 PM
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Porsche "Purist"
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I own a 97 Miata with 120K miles that still has it's original clutch, water pump, timing belt, rotors, AOS, alternator, starter, muffler, ignition switch.....
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2001 Boxster original owner. I installed used motor at 89k.
1987 924S. 2002 996TT. PST-2
Owned and repaired Porsches since 1974. Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy.
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03-02-2012, 08:35 PM
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Outright grip. Lap times. 1/4 mile times. All of these are pretty much irrelevant to what makes for a great driver's car.
Another great example is an E30 M3. 200hp. Not terribly quick. Low grip levels by today's standards. And a far, far better driver's car than the current 414hp E9x M3 which would annihilate it by every objective measure.
It's just utterly ridiculous to call the Miata mediocre because it delivers slow lap times. Lap times have nothing to do with driving enjoyment, which is what matters in a driver's car.
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Last edited by pothole; 03-02-2012 at 08:40 PM.
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03-02-2012, 08:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfectlap
This may sound like sacrilage but the Boxster and even Carrera are almost irrelvant for Porsche going forward. Put it this way if Porsche decided to drop the Carrera and Boxster they are still a perfectly viable and profitable company with the Panamera, Cayenne and whatever new mini-Cayenne or coupe Panamera models they were to come out with. Not a single rear or mid-engined offering on offer and they'd sell the brand to emerging market and U.S. buyers at higher numbers than at any point in their history.
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This would be true in the short and possibly medium term.
However, people want the Cayenne because of the cachet of the Porsche badge. And that cachet is closely related to and probably dependent on the existence of the sports car models. The sports cars are very important to the brand, in my opinion.
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03-02-2012, 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blue2000s
POTHOLE, have you ever driven an MGF? I've always been curious what they're like. We don't get them in NA.
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Sadly not. They're meant to be pretty good. But the build quality and cabin are pretty hideous. I'm not a fan.
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03-02-2012, 08:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blue2000s
OK, the Miata's power is mediocre if you think you need to be down the 1/4 mile in less than 14 seconds for a car to be fun. The whole point is that lap times don't matter in the real world.
As far as suspension execution, the Miata may be a little soft stock, but a car that's got some very elemental suspension modifications can be hard to beat for fun to drive.
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yes sorta important to me but not totally, that is why I bought a S instead of a standard 2.7 (sub 14 second 1/4 mile) but not totally important or I would have just bought a vette or GTO......
my next car will be an Elise...bring on the 1G cornering!
plus you see even less of them than Boxsters!
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03-02-2012, 09:02 PM
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Porsche "Purist"
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Lotus: Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious
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1998 Boxster with 7.8 DME, 2005 3.6 liter/325 hp, Variocam Plus, 996 Instrument panel
2001 Boxster original owner. I installed used motor at 89k.
1987 924S. 2002 996TT. PST-2
Owned and repaired Porsches since 1974. Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy.
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03-02-2012, 09:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
Lotus: Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious
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not an esprit, an elise, the one with a Toyota motor...I have never heard of issues with the elise
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03-02-2012, 09:27 PM
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Porsche "Purist"
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Lotus Toy: Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious Ton Of Yen
Just kidding around, today's Lotus cars are much better than the ones we serviced in the 70's and 80's.
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1998 Boxster with 7.8 DME, 2005 3.6 liter/325 hp, Variocam Plus, 996 Instrument panel
2001 Boxster original owner. I installed used motor at 89k.
1987 924S. 2002 996TT. PST-2
Owned and repaired Porsches since 1974. Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy.
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03-02-2012, 11:15 PM
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I have had 4 Lotus over 15 years in total 1, esprit 1, Elise and 2 elan se turbos (m100) none gave any issues ever!
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