Let's Play: Guess How Much

[The Radium King]

the spyder has an 11.4 hp/weight ration (hp*100/weight) where as the 986S has 8.9. even losing 200 lb and gaining 35 hp (the max you probably could expect with bolt-ons and a streetable weight loss program) you would still only hit 10.9.

a 987S, however, could easily be converted. from wiki:

... the Boxster Spyder will be the lightest Porsche on the market, weighing 2,811 pounds, a full 176 pounds lighter than a Boxster S. This has been achieved through the elimination of the conventional soft top's operating mechanism, the radio/PCM unit, air conditioning, storage compartments, handles, cupholders and large LED light modules on the front fascia. The vehicle will ride on a firmer suspension than the other Boxster models, and will also be almost one inch lower in order to have firmer handling. A manually operated canvas top, sports bucket seats and two signature humps running along the back of the vehicle provide characteristic design elements. It will offer a six-cylinder boxer engine with 320 horsepower and 273 lb·ft of torque, a 10 hp increase over the engine in the Boxster S and the same engine used in the related Cayman S.

so, a/c delete, gt3 seats, remove roof motors, PSS9 suspension, lightweight battery, lightweight wheels, RS door pulls, intake, exhaust, tune, etc., will get you there. $10k in upgrades; more if you want it to look like the spyder (and not just perform like it).

[Ghostrider 310]

Don't forget the chassis upgrade 986 / 987

[Johnny Danger]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310

My last word on it JD, what you are proposing is that the newest technology from Porsche is easily beaten in performance by simple mods as the ones you describe performed on their older cars, what can I say except I disagree. If you had done some serious engine mods the kind that require dis assembly then I might, might buy your claim. But the "cards in the spokes" tweaks you are talking about, to say two pro drivers one in a spyder and one in the JD prepared race car, to say your car would win is nothing short of delusional.


It won't matter anyhow, I now know why the prices are skyrocketing, no more new spyders so what's left is going to be too much, looks like I'm S shopping now.

First of all, at no time did I say that the technology of the 986 platform surpassed that of the new Spyder . Rather, the premise of my remarks was to suggest, by comparison one could create a very formidable performer out of a 986 for much less money; provided that the modifications were executed in a well planned and methodical manner . Furthermore, if you think that performance mods from the likes of 9FF, M&M Exhaust Germany, Fvd/Brombacher, Evolution Motorsports, Champion Motorsports, and Hamann just to name a few are "card in the spokes", then you're a bigger jackass than I thought you were . But, please go spend 90k on a 310 hp vehicle with a 2 cent bikini top .

[Ghostrider 310]

I modded my own Boxster, my family wrenched on cars 40 years, dad built race engines, owned a dealership just what are your credentials captain secret & too cocky? BTW, you said your car would beat the spyder with pro drivers in each, at least own it. Manthey modded the Cayman to the tune of 20K and Excellence struggled to say much of anything about the mods, read for yourself. Look, I felt as if I eeked performance out of my car and had it refined to an edge most other drivers would not bother to endeavor to find too, I know where your heart is. None of that changes that you were wrong and if you think insulting my credentials and heritage of motoring promotes your position then go for it, i was modding Fiats when you weren't here yet.

[Ghostrider 310]

My father built engines for these:


Hillegass is perhaps best known for his midgets, which he began building as the midget racing boom took off in the Thirties. At the time he was living in Syracuse, New York and working Carrier Corporation's research and development department. He continued there through World War II but then returned to Allentown where he set up his own shop at 2435 South 4th Street.

Midgets, as builders like Frank Kurtis and Pop Dreyer proved, were viable business and Hiram Hillegass approached it as such, even going to the extent of investing in cast iron bucks over which he could accurately, quickly and repeatably form the complex body panels that clothed his creations. Racers earned their livings wîth the diminutive but shapely single-seaters, sometimes racing every evening of the week during the season and twice or more a day on weekends. The cars and their engines had to be quick enough to command appearance money, bring home prize money regularly and stand up to constant use and competition.

The midgets of Hiram Hillegass met the test, and it is not surprising that the drivers who survived racing his midgets turned to Hillegass for bigger cars which were then known simply and logically as 'Big Cars'. These were the sprint cars that carried bigger engines, campaigned on larger tracks and each year adjourned for the month of May to Indianapolis, Indiana for the 500. Hillegass built two Big Cars in the Thirties, one for Frank 'Butcher Boy' Wierer in 1937 and one for Doc Keim in Hillegass's hometown of Allentown in 1939.

[jacabean]

forget about ferrari , drop a 3.8 x51 in the danger mobile and then you can tool on spyders and probably some gt3 s all day long !

[Johnny Danger]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310

I modded my own Boxster, my family wrenched on cars 40 years, dad built race engines, owned a dealership just what are your credentials captain secret & too cocky? BTW, you said your car would beat the spyder with pro drivers in each, at least own it. Manthey modded the Cayman to the tune of 20K and Excellence struggled to say much of anything about the mods, read for yourself. Look, I felt as if I eeked performance out of my car and had it refined to an edge most other drivers would not bother to endeavor to find too, I know where your heart is. None of that changes that you were wrong and if you think insulting my credentials and heritage of motoring promotes your position then go for it, i was modding Fiats when you weren't here yet.

Here you go putting words in my mouth again . I never said that my boxster would win a race against the spyder . Rather, it is my belief that it would hold it's own. Especially if Chuck Norris was driving it . In any case, you have an open invitation to come up to Massachusetts in the Spring and drive my boxster. You'll love it ! I'll even buy you lunch . Just don't bring any crack !

[jacabean]

Not to bust balls or anything but this evo with under 5 grand in mods. will make a spyder look like a silly little child and it will do all day long without worrying about some bearing or all the other overpriced **************** that breaks. 414 WHP / 373 WTQ - 2008 Mitsubishi EVO X GSR - COBB Tuning Plano - YouTube

[The Radium King]

are there any chassis differences between 986/987? perhaps a bit more stiffness (which can be addressed aftermarket) but suspension is about the same ...

http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/26973-can-boxster-987-coilovers-fit-986-a.html

[Ghostrider 310]

Originally Posted by Johnny Danger

Here you go putting words in my mouth again . I never said that my boxster would win a race against the spyder . Rather, it is my belief that it would hold it's own. Especially if Chuck Norris was driving it . In any case, you have an open invitation to come up to Massachusetts in the Spring and drive my boxster. You'll love it ! I'll even buy you lunch . Just don't bring any crack !

What did this mean chief?


Me: Regarding the claim about your car, any of these vehicles are going to be very close but again if you think a closed track comparison with race drivers of your ride and a Spyder would be close you're smoking crack.


You:I hope that you know some good crack dealers .

In a scenario like this it wouldn't be close, you wouldn't win one lap.

[Ghostrider 310]

OK Peace now, I like you JD and I like your car and I will come up and we can split lunch, you can drive whatever I buy and vomit after touching the PDK..

[jacabean]

after thinking about this for a minute. a well sorted 986S may give a spyder a good run for it's money. suspension wise not much of a difference we know with the right setup the 986S suspension can perform on exotic levels. with all the right mods $$$$. a 986S will come in just under 300 h.p. is 20 h.p. enough to blow it away ? PDK could put a nail in the coffin but I think it would be closer than you think not a total ass wiping.

[Johnny Danger]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310

OK Peace now, I like you JD and I like your car and I will come up and we can split lunch, you can drive whatever I buy and vomit after touching the PDK..

Deal. But, please consider buying a late model 360 Modena (a CS !) with a Tubi exhaust and a set of challenge wheels on it .

[Johnny Danger]

Originally Posted by jacabean

after thinking about this for a minute. a well sorted 986S may give a spyder a good run for it's money. suspension wise not much of a difference we know with the right setup the 986S suspension can perform on exotic levels. with all the right mods $$$$. a 986S will come in just under 300 h.p. is 20 h.p. enough to blow it away ? PDK could put a nail in the coffin but I think it would be closer than you think not a total ass wiping.

Not to continue fanning the flames, but I'm hoping that my next dyno test will produce results upwards of 260 ft lb of torque .

[coreseller]

"just what are your credentials captain secret & too cocky?"

I'm not taking sides guys buy reading that made me cackle out loud...........

Witnessing Johnny Danger step out of character and make lucid arguments on this vs. that is a bit surreal also.....

BTW....the Ferrari Lusso is the one to own, can you tell I don't drive fast?

[Ghostrider 310]

Originally Posted by Johnny Danger

Not to continue fanning the flames, but I'm hoping that my next dyno test will produce results upwards of 260 ft lb of torque .

Well that's in the hood of 273...No Ferrari for me, I'll ride along in yours.

[ekam]

[MileHighBoxster]

Too many posts off topic. No. To me it's not worth it. I can, and would, buy a slightly used GT2 over a slightly used Spyder for the same price. Not to mention what Johnny already said about different great cars. The Spyder is a great car but not for 90K.

[Johnny Danger]

Originally Posted by coreseller

"just what are your credentials captain secret & too cocky?"

I'm not taking sides guys buy reading that made me cackle out loud...........

Witnessing Johnny Danger step out of character and make lucid arguments on this vs. that is a bit surreal also.....

BTW....the Ferrari Lusso is the one to own, can you tell I don't drive fast?

I love the smell of a leather jumpsuit during an argument .

[Ghostrider 310]

Hey, man from uncle, get this, there is no more production of Boxsters!!One must either buy new off current stock, used or wait till June launch in Sardinia Italy of the new car which I was just told has: engine moved more to the center, is wider and two inches longer.

you think Porsche could update their website instead of letting you jerk yourself a soda for six hours configuring what doesn't exist?