Jackass in a 997 GT3

[Jake D]

Wow, I can't believe some of those remarks. The bar owner said he's not a big drinker so who knows if he was drunk or not. He shouldn't have been driving like that if he'd been drinking, but who really knows what happened. At the end of the day 2 people died.

I think some of the members here need to sell their car and go buy something more suitable for their old grandpa cruising ways and quit acting like driving a PORSCHE hard or fast is crazy. Is it wreckless sure, but to each his own.

I managed to hit 149 in my car Sunday and had I wrecked and died I would have gone out with the biggest grin on my face. Wouldn't have liked it any other way

[mdex]

Originally Posted by Jake D

I managed to hit 149 in my car Sunday and had I wrecked and died I would have gone out with the biggest grin on my face. Wouldn't have liked it any other way

Doing it on the street is inexcusable... you may be willing to die on the street, but the others who are on the roads didn't sign up for that.

If you want to go fast, take it to the track.

[zilla]

Originally Posted by mdex

Doing it on the street is inexcusable... you may be willing to die on the street, but the others who are on the roads didn't sign up for that.

If you want to go fast, take it to the track.

Amen.

RIP Ryan Dunn and his passenger.

[jwade]

Originally Posted by mdex

Doing it on the street is inexcusable... you may be willing to die on the street, but the others who are on the roads didn't sign up for that.

If you want to go fast, take it to the track.

Good quote, just add sober to it....

I like to party with the best of them from time to time, however what Ryan did was very stupid.

Must have been under some serious pressure to let loose like that and to take another life in the process is just plain ignorance...

I have known cases where people have committed vehicular homoside before and the attourneys come looking for the estate of the driver..

[Jake D]

Once again to each his own...I was alone in my car on a 4 lane empty completely straight section of highway where there was nobody coming in either direction as far as I could see. I knew the risks and there wasn't anybody else around who didn't "sign" up to get hurt. Making a quick top speed run and then immediately returning to normal speed wasn't that big of a deal.

Why is it inexcusable? Would you say that if I was on the autobahn?

Call it inexcusable, call it what you want, I could really care less your opinion.

[stateofidleness]

Obviously it depends on the situation. The one in which you describe is basically a race track. I think he's referring to the situations where there's a minivan full of kids next to you, or the 16 year old that just got their license and is nervous as hell. There's a time and place for sure...

Highway's your's? Let 'er rip!

Innocent Bystanders? Maybe not so much.

There's also the argument that I don't want my tax dollars going towards fixing guard rails all the time because some guy decided to play 'stig'

[Idaho Red Rocket 3]

Let me see if I understand the tone of this thread. We all have cars capable of handling curves at more than 30+ mph over the curves posted speed and top speeds of over 150 mph, but we can't use it. If this were so, then Porsche and other exotics should be banned and we should all just drive a Prius or a Smart For 2.

I don't think so.

I'm always sober. When the road is empty and I'm in a place that feels "safe", I too enjoy a burst of speed. Unfortunately we here in the USA don't have an "autobohn" anymore since Montana put a 75 MPH limit on their highways. Yes out here in the west we can find plenty of straight, empty open road to enjoy the limits of our cars. Please don't brand me as a wreckless jerk because I safely enjoy my car.

To tell you the truth, when my wife and I are on a roadtrip, I can't beleive how many Honda Minivans pass us like a Porsche. They seam to have something to prove to the 5 kids in the back. Seriously, we get passed all the time by Honda Minivans. Those damn things blow our doors off all the time.

[Lil bastard]

Originally Posted by Idaho Red Rocket 3

Let me see if I understand the tone of this thread. We all have cars capable of handling curves at more than 30+ mph over the curves posted speed and top speeds of over 150 mph, but we can't use it. ... I don't think so.

Well, let me try to explain it.

The maximum posted legal speed limit in the United States today is 75MPH. Going over this limit is illegal, as in not allowed.

Porsche (as do others) produce cars that are capable of exceeding the legal limit. They have no control over raising that legal limit.

So... Yes, you cannot use it.

Legally that is. Use it illegally, and the consequences are all yours (assuming no innocents are involved).


Cheers!

[Lobo1186]

Originally Posted by mdex

Doing it on the street is inexcusable... you may be willing to die on the street, but the others who are on the roads didn't sign up for that.

If you want to go fast, take it to the track.

IDK if you have ever driven in the midwest and southwest USA, but many roads are deserted for hundreds of miles at a time....

if you can manage to get on an open road with no-one for miles... i would say its pretty excusable.

[jotoole]

CAR and DRIVER, Nov. 1966. Ford Cobra, 427, 0 mph to 100 mph to 0 mph, 14.5 sec.
Of course, my Boxster can't do that. Point is, I can get my 2000 base to 127 mph and back to 65 mph in seconds flat. Have not tried to find top end, but this car had plenty left. Road raging rice rocket was right on my ass, so I got away from him and got right back to posted speed limit. Lo and behold, about .5 mile ahead an Ohio State Trooper was standing in the highway, point to ricer, signaling him to pull over.

Had my top down, looked up and saw the state police airplane right overhead.

This car can go very fast then back down to reasonable speed again in VERY short time.

[Frodo]

I kinda go along with the last posted sentiments, when conditions clearly allow. When I drive at what would be considered excessive speed (say 30+ over the posted speed limit), I am constantly thinking of two things:

(1) If something surprises me at speed, is there room to move out of the way? An extra lane to move into (with no other vehicles to contend with)? The ability to safely "move out of the way" dwindles quickly the faster I'm traveling. Obvious to all, no doubt, but it's still something I'm actively thinking about. The wild card here, of course, is animals, a deer, or a dog. Those can be really tough to handle at speed because they are also moving and, more importantly, they're notoriously unpredictable.

(2) If anything bad happens here, it will be assessed to be TOTALLY my fault, regardless of whether it actually was. Example: If there's a side road that intersects with the one I'm on, someone stops, then pulls out in front of me, and I smack into them, odds are extremely good I'm going to be the one "liable" in all senses of the term. This is true even if the third party who pulled out should reasonably have yielded to oncoming traffic. ("Failure to yield" probably ain't gonna help you if you were doing 90 in a 60.) Problem is, they are not even thinking about the fact that some approaching vehicle might be going that much faster than the posted limit. You have to assume that they will probably be thinking that you're traveling no faster than the posted speed. Soooo, the existence of ANY side roads is a red flag for me and I'm almost certainly gonna slow down when I see one. (This is where familiarity with the road you're on is helpful.)

[Overdrive]

Avoiding the to-be-reckless-or-not-to-be-reckless debate that could go on for another 50 thread pages, and getting back to some of the original content: it really is unfortunate what happened, both to see the destruction of an amazing machine and even more the loss of two lives. Let's not forget that what we read and see in the news on this matter is mostly speculation, and it was even noted in some of these speculations that autopsy results won't be available for over a month. We don't know what factors led to the accident, and there's no guarantee that the investigation(s) will be 100% right. Regardless, it's really a shame.

And I will say that while I'm not a huge fan of the franchise and some of its cast, I could not even jokingly say that anyone else from the show should have been in that car with him and suffered the same fate, and it was really a shame to see that comment made on here. Whether it's a celebrity of sorts or someone local who you may or may not have known, I really feel it's never a good thing to hear about the death of another. And I'm not trying to sway anyone or tell them they're wrong, I'm just giving my opinion.

Let's all be safe out there, and I don't mean drive like grandpa when I say that. I just mean be safe. Have your fun and enjoy your life, because you could be 74, or a week past 34 like Ryan Dunn, there's no set age or scenario for the end of your life.

Now where's that Porsche key...?

[jotoole]

Driver's Ed 101

[Lil bastard]

Originally Posted by Jake D

Wow, I can't believe some of those remarks. ... I managed to hit 149 in my car Sunday and had I wrecked and died I would have gone out with the biggest grin on my face. Wouldn't have liked it any other way

I call BS... 149...??

Er... was that Top up or Top down..??

With a 155MPH published Top Speed on a new car, I find it very difficult you hit 149 in a 12 y.o. car. 'Course if you were going downhill w/ Hurricane Katrina behind you, on AvGas, maybe.

And, that musta been some pull considering the 1/4 mi. speed is only 98.8mph, you would have had time to finish your sandwich given the near 1/2 mi. run it would take to achieve that speed, if even possible.

Personally, I'd have the speedo checked.

And, I have relatives in OH, there musta been a 2fer1 at the Donut shop to keep the staties from catching you.

You jab at the older guys for driving with some sanity. Yea, we all did it... in cars that were half as safe as a Boxster... we were foolish... and LUCKY!

You're still young and stupid, and if you live through it, someday you'll know what they mean.

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Be thirsty my friend!

Cheers!