IMS Guardian Pre-order

[Jake Raby]

Give up on the fsilure rates.. They didn't matter to the three owners that had a death certificate issued from our facility for their car this week.

The failure rates can't be accurately summed, because ACCURATE portions of the equation are impossible to source. No one knows exactly how many cars were built, no one knows how many failed under warranty and no one knows what killed thousands of them that were replaced over the years.

I will tell you now that EARLY DETECTION and WARNING would have saved all 3 of the cars that came to my facility this week from all acorss the country with engine failures. One of these was barely incapable of being saved by our processes, literally minutes cost this guy 15K+. People will not listen when we say STOP and do not drive the car at all when any symptom occurs.

The IMSG alerts the driver before any other symptoms are noted, that extra bit of time is the key to saving an engine through a procedure or spending 15K.

45,000 dollars worth of failures could have been saved in these 3 cars from less than 1600.00 worth of IMSG systems being employed. All 3 of these failures would have been easily detected by the IMSG, undoubtedly. Want num bers? These are the ones that count.

[JoeFromPA]

Jake,

That was undoubtedly the most salesy post I've ever seen from you - and you've been an awesome source of info for the forum and broader community, besides the work you do and products you drive.

You use 3 failed cars as a case study with no evidence that your device would have prevented them besides the assertion. Fine - I can live with that.

But you say $45k worth of damage could've been saved by $1600 worth of parts and that those are the numbers that count. Huh? That's true if the failure rate is 1 to 1.

If the failure rate is 20 to 1, then $12,000 worth of IMSG systems need to be employed for each $15,000 worth of work saved within the community (assuming $600 for the IMSG with installation). The cost to the community is near parity with the cost of fixing the catastrophe in that situation.

I make decisions based upon rational analysis and not fear-mongering done by those who would profit from it. I don't care about the early cars that failed - I do care about how often it occurs today. I wish that information was available to me.

I have no clear indication of failure ratesand one of the people most in a place to sum up such information, you, has basically said "Failure rates are meaningless. Install my part". This does not pass my "i'm being scammed" detector. I'm not even saying you are scamming people - I am simply saying that your last post really does you a disservice.

My car is worth maybe $12k. With a blown engine, maybe $3-4k. My risk is $9k - for something that costs $2k+ to fix, $400+ to observe, and affects maybe 10% of the population.

I might eat crow one day, absolutely, but I do so with the knowledge that I made a rational choice based upon the best information I had available at the time.

Edit: oh, and if that information changes, I'll be happy to re-evaluate and potentially use your products. I have no dog in this fight besides trying to make a good decision for my own purposes.

[jbs986]

Count me in, I will gladly pay $ 400.00 for one , just for peace of mind.

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by jbs986

Count me in, I will gladly pay $ 400.00 for one , just for peace of mind.

Totally out of curiosity, not criticizing or judging at all: Why are you looking at buying the detection device where the only end result is the purchase of the bearing anyway? Why are you not interested in just buying the bearing now and getting it over with?

[Jake Raby]

I certainly understand statistics..
I understand them enough to know that in this scenario they can't be calculated.

It's really simple:
The IMSG gives the advanced notice that an issue is imminent and no other device or process to date has been able do this. That advanced notice is what allows engines to be saved before collateral damage occurs that takes the engine out.

Either someone sees benefit in such a system, or they don't... Those that do see benefit buy it and the others do not, that's the freedom that we all have as Americans. Those who do invest in the technology get a sense of security that has only been available through an IMSR in the past at a much higher cost for the total process. The IMSG also has the ability to seek out 10 other forms of failure that the IMSR does not address and offers a 150% credit toward a Flat 6 engine solution to those who buy the unit through us.

Remember: until 2009 LN and I had not developed the technology to safely extract the IMS bearing with the engine together and in the car. The development of the IMSG pre-dates the IMSR as I had this idea before we ever retrofitted the first bearing successfully.

People call our Offices looking for a sense if security all day everyday and we cannot give it to them honestly. The IMSG gives this to them continually from the dash interface with an audible and visual IMS Alert and push to test features.

Believe in it? Great, buy it.
Don't believe in it? Don't buy it.
Its that simple.
That's said, the first 500 units are almost already spoken for in less than one week of pre-sales with zero advertisement and people still don't even know how it works. The do know what it offers and that's enough to captivate them.

I was basing nothing on the 3 cars here now except the fact that all of them could have been saved if advanced warning was given and the proper action was taken. When the female owner of one of them saw the technology employed in one of our test cars she asked why in the world we didn't come out with it sooner.
The IMS bearing failure isn't what generally drives the stake in the heart if the engine, it's a primary mode of failure that leads to collateral damage that is much worse and not able to be solved without complete engine teardown.

The female driver we were referring to has an IMS bearing that is still intact, but has failed. What took her off the road was a rod knock that was created from collateral damage. Her IMS bearing could be retrofitted today and she would still have a rod knock, if caught early enough the whole situation could have been much different and instead if 15k, she would be looking at 3k with a credit applied from my company if she had the IMSG employed.

The choice is yours.

[pothole]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

The IMSG gives the advanced notice that an issue is imminent and no other device or process to date has been able do this. That advanced notice is what allows engines to be saved before collateral damage occurs that takes the engine out.

Either someone sees benefit in such a system, or they don't... Those that do see benefit buy it and the others do not, that's the freedom that we all have as Americans.

It's not that simple, though is it? Some kind of explanation and demonstration of how it works is necessary to make a rational decision over the merits of the system.

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

That's said, the first 500 units are almost already spoken for in less than one week of pre-sales with zero advertisement and people still don't even know how it works. The do know what it offers and that's enough to captivate them.

All they know is that you claim it warns of IMS bearing failure and ten other undisclosed (as far as I know) problems. The fact that they buy it on spec I assume reflects their desperation to avoid this problem more than anything else.

To draw a slightly unfair analogy, faith healers still do a roaring trade in our supposedly enlightened age by promising to help desperate people. But they're still fraudsters exploiting the vulnerable.

I'm not accusing you of anything remotely that sinister, but the way you tend to present your solutions with a general tone of "my stuff works and you'll have to take my word for it, everyone else does" I personally find a little arrogant.

I absolutely hope your failure detection device works as advertised, if so it's a great innovation. I just wish you came across as a bit more open and forthcoming and that your tone wasn't a bit redolent of someone making hyperbolic claims. I'm sure you and your company do some great work, but your tone is a bit off putting.





Believe in it? Great, buy it.
Don't believe in it? Don't buy it.
Its that simple.
That's said, the first 500 units are almost already spoken for in less than one week of pre-sales with zero advertisement and people still don't even know how it works. The do know what it offers and that's enough to captivate them.

I was basing nothing on the 3 cars here now except the fact that all of them could have been saved if advanced warning was given and the proper action was taken. When the female owner of one of them saw the technology employed in one of our test cars she asked why in the world we didn't come out with it sooner.
The IMS bearing failure isn't what generally drives the stake in the heart if the engine, it's a primary mode of failure that leads to collateral damage that is much worse and not able to be solved without complete engine teardown.

The female driver we were referring to has an IMS bearing that is still intact, but has failed. What took her off the road was a rod knock that was created from collateral damage. Her IMS bearing could be retrofitted today and she would still have a rod knock, if caught early enough the whole situation could have been much different and instead if 15k, she would be looking at 3k with a credit applied from my company if she had the IMSG employed.

The choice is yours.[/QUOTE]

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by blue2000s

Totally out of curiosity, not criticizing or judging at all: Why are you looking at buying the detection device where the only end result is the purchase of the bearing anyway? Why are you not interested in just buying the bearing now and getting it over with?

The old owner of the Boxster I own, had replaced the RMS and clutch at 60K miles, If he had not, then I would have replaced the IMS and RMS when I needed a new clutch.

The way I see it is, my clutch is good for another 60K before I need to replace it, when I do I will replace the IMS W/Jake's, until then it makes sense to have this IMS Guardian on my car.

[Bobiam]

My 3 yr aftermarket warranty is just about done with no claims (that's great), and it cost me around $1400. This Jake device is a much cheaper investment.

HOWEVER, my concern is false alarm. If the thing records a failure being imminent, we stop the car and tow it to safety. Then we are committed to an expensive repair. All well and good the Jake device worked as intended. But if it was a false alarm, then we're out big bucks for an IMS bearing replacement plus $400. What to do? What to do?

[jaykay]

Jake,

Just saw the teaser. Very slick and seamless system integration with the car's interior. I am impressed. The press to test feature really gives you away as an ex aircraft maint. engineer. Reminds me of fire suppression squib tests on certain older jets before lighting the APU.

Cool stuff!

[Overdrive]

Ok Jake, let me make sure I didn't misunderstand your post. So this device goes beyond simply monitoring what would bring about an IMS retrofit or replacement, and actually monitors other potential engine failure points? In the specific case you last mentioned, were you saying that the rod failed because of the IMS, or that the IMS failed because of the rod? Either way, you're saying the warning given by the IMS Guardian would have occured early enough to minimize the damage and possibly save the engine, yes?

BTW, I'm all for press-to-test being an aircraft maintainer, I wish cars had them, especially with all the different forms of monitoring that modern cars now have for various systems and components.

[dogsivew]

Jake,

I'm a DYI kind of guy for lots of projects but how easy on a scale of 1 to 10 is this install?

TIA

[tommy986]

Originally Posted by silverboxster101

People...This guy (Jake Raby) is a snake oil salesman. When will you all learn this!!!

We all know that, but he also offers other great products too.

[Frodo]

Even better! A self-proclaimed snake oil salesman! Can't say he doesn't lay his cards on the table!

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by silverboxster101

People...This guy (Jake Raby) is a snake oil salesman. When will you all learn this!!!

Yes, Snake Oil is one of my brand names.. In fact I am wearing my Snake oil T shirt today!
Do some searches on who I am and the company I have built from scratch and you will see that honesty, integrity and effectiveness are what my name brings to the table. The IMS Guardian is no different.

I'm a DYI kind of guy for lots of projects but how easy on a scale of 1 to 10 is this install?

Its a 2 on that scale.. Just because you have to route the wiring under the carpet, otherwise it would be a '1'.

Just saw the teaser. Very slick and seamless system integration with the car's interior. I am impressed.

There is a reason why it has taken 3 years to get this completed.. Creating the seamless installation was a challenge and that coupled to the press to test feature accounts for a chunk of the manufacturing cost of the system.

My 3 yr aftermarket warranty is just about done with no claims (that's great), and it cost me around $1400. This Jake device is a much cheaper investment.

AND since this system is seamless and non-invasive it should not compromise your aftermarket warranty. An IMSR procedure will void a Porsche or aftermarket warranty. When the technology is released those with warranties need to double check their paperwork.

HOWEVER, my concern is false alarm. If the thing records a failure being imminent, we stop the car and tow it to safety.

This is the reason that the smart purchaser opts for the IMS Alert Hotline at the time of purchase. With this someone can call from the side of the road and they will be asked a series of questions to include many aspects of the engine and symptoms. Based on this feedback an M96 Engine Specialist can recommend to them what the course of action should be.

Even without the Hotline Email and forum support will be available to assist those who have received an IMS Alert and need to know the next steps.

Then we are committed to an expensive repair. All well and good the Jake device worked as intended. But if it was a false alarm, then we're out big bucks for an IMS bearing replacement plus $400. What to do? What to do

If the system gives an IMS Alert and the push to test procedure is carried out while the alarm is sounding the red light will go out and the audible alarm will stop. This means that the occurrence is "real" and you do have something going on with the engine that requires some form of attention. The situation may not be the IMS, it could be one of the other 10 modes of failure within the capability of the IMS Guardian to detect and provide early warning of.

If the press to test is carried out while the alarm is sounding and the light remains red and the alarm continues to sound, then something has damaged the sensor or the system and the occurrence would be considered a false alarm.

When we can reveal the technology many questions will be answered. The Tech Forum in Excellence Magazine will also answer many of them as well, all the other sill be addressed by the extensive portion of our website being dedicated to this technology, its testing, how it works, its features and overall information.

Any other questions? Comments?

Remember: I am not holding a .357 Magnum to anyone's head to buy this. If you don't believe in it, think it isn't needed or just don't like it- thats absolutely fine.

The pre-sales alone have already exceeded what we thought would sell in the first 6 months the product was on the market and its only been on our store site for SIX DAYS... It has yet to be advertised in any formal marketing and other than two forum posts it doesn't even exist.. There is not even any mention of it on our main website..

[landrovered]

Is my peace of mind worth $385?

You bet it is.

[mikefocke]

Does the detection device connect in any way with the DME?

Can it be removed/disconnected if desired in a trivial way?

Can it be used or should it be used with the LN IMSR?

What are the labor hours to install for a first time installer who is familiar with Boxsters?

Does it measure/compare camshaft deviations?

[insite]

i'd be interested in a list of the ten failure modes it looks for.


for what it's worth, i've been up to jake's shop & it really is a development center. it's a multi-building complex with an engine build center, a tear-down center, a full machine shop, and a research center. the research center has a chassis dyno and two engine dynos, one of which is M96 specific. i saw a host of diagnosis equipment, design & research tools, even a brand new 3.8L DFI motor in tear-down.

regardless of whether some think jake goes a bit overboard with doom & gloom, he really is doing the leg work he claims to do. regardless of whether any of us decides to purchase the IMS guardian, i don't personally believe that it's snake oil. i'd be interested in stats once we have some data (statistical type 1 & type 2 errors, alpha) to see how effective it really is, but i do believe it will at least to some extent perform what it claims to perform.

the fact that they, along with LN, developed a DIY IMS kit along with an in-car replacement method is a pretty big deal for the M96 community. the guardian may not be for everyone & the price point may be a bit off, but CERTAINLY there is demand for something of this nature. if it works, it will give a lot of people the piece of mind they need to further enjoy their cars.

if you want to bash him for the hard sell, go right ahead, but i don't think it's right to beat him up over developing a product that the market has asked for, ESPECIALLY if this thing winds up saving some motors......

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by mikefocke

Does the detection device connect in any way with the DME?

No, not at all. 100% stand alone. Two wires connect to the vehicle's wiring, thats it. One of them is a "piggy back" connection from pin#3 of ad adjacent Porsche rocker switch.

Can it be removed/disconnected if desired in a trivial way?

Yep, in less time than it took to install. Just reinsert the switch block off that was removed when the IMSG was installed and you can't ever tell it was there.

Can it be used or should it be used with the LN IMSR?

Yes it can be. one of my test cars has an IMSR and employs the IMSG.

What are the labor hours to install for a first time installer who is familiar with Boxsters?

One of my friends doesn't even own a Porsche, he installed the system in one of my test cars in 90 minutes with no assistance from me at all, only using my written instructions. The goal of that exercise was to test the instructions. He is about as mechanical as a cardboard box.

Does it measure/compare camshaft deviations?

Can't answer that question.

for what it's worth, i've been up to jake's shop & it really is a development center. it's a multi-building complex with an engine build center, a tear-down center, a full machine shop, and a research center. the research center has a chassis dyno and two engine dynos, one of which is M96 specific. i saw a host of diagnosis equipment, design & research tools, even a brand new 3.8L DFI motor in tear-down.

regardless of whether some think jake goes a bit overboard with doom & gloom, he really is doing the leg work he claims to do. regardless of whether any of us decides to purchase the IMS guardian, i don't personally believe that it's snake oil. i'd be interested in stats once we have some data (statistical type 1 & type 2 errors, alpha) to see how effective it really is, but i do believe it will at least to some extent perform what it claims to perform.

Now for the funny part. When you came to visit an IMSG system was sitting on top of my black tool box right by the chassis dyno. We were two feet from it talking all about cars and engines and you never noticed it.. :-) Thank you for the compliments, glad you were impressed with our facility and what we have in work. The 9A1 engine is now finished that you saw and the results were impressive.. I'd dare say that no one else in this country has carried that work out to date, it was very challenging to say the least!

Ok fellas, my time to sit behind the computer is over.. For the last two weeks I haven't been able to get out of the Office due to paperwork related to the IMSG. Just today our final test car arrived and I need to get into the lab and get things set up to blow the engine up on purpose while under the watchful eye of the IMSG and on video with all our data logging gear in place. I need to do this test next week, before we close down the entire week of the 4th for our summer shut down.

I will pop in when I have a chance, but no more page long stories from me until after we return on July 11th.

If you want to buy the IMSG and believe in it, thats great and we'd love to sell it to you.
When we return from vacation it should be time to let the cat out of the bag. I appreciate your support and even the negative statements, reality is thats just life.