IMS Guardian Pre-order

[RandallNeighbour]

Didn't see this anywhere on the forum yet, but Jake's figured out how to give us boxster owners a heads-up when our IMS is about to go and prevent a catastrophic motor event.

http://www.flat6innovations.com/shop/product.php?productid=16285&cat=399&page=1

If this is being discussed elsewhere here, forgive me for reposting. Evidently, it's been discussed on a 27 page thread over on rennlist.

[Cloudsurfer]

Gotta be kidding me.....

[tonycarreon]

there was some early discussion during march in this thread

http://986forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28288

[Jaxonalden]

I tried your link but Norton blocked it.

[derb]

Got mine ordered.

[RandallNeighbour]

Exactly how does this gizmo work?

[papasmurf]

Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour

Exactly how does this gizmo work?

Interesting concept but I would like to have some more details on how it works before paying the ~400 asking price. I really would like to know how much warning it gives you...30 seconds? 30 miles? and what the "expected" success rate might be at giving you an adequate amount of time to take action.

[Jake Raby]

Give up on the fsilure rates.. They didn't matter to the three owners that had a death certificate issued from our facility for their car this week.

The failure rates can't be accurately summed, because ACCURATE portions of the equation are impossible to source. No one knows exactly how many cars were built, no one knows how many failed under warranty and no one knows what killed thousands of them that were replaced over the years.

I will tell you now that EARLY DETECTION and WARNING would have saved all 3 of the cars that came to my facility this week from all acorss the country with engine failures. One of these was barely incapable of being saved by our processes, literally minutes cost this guy 15K+. People will not listen when we say STOP and do not drive the car at all when any symptom occurs.

The IMSG alerts the driver before any other symptoms are noted, that extra bit of time is the key to saving an engine through a procedure or spending 15K.

45,000 dollars worth of failures could have been saved in these 3 cars from less than 1600.00 worth of IMSG systems being employed. All 3 of these failures would have been easily detected by the IMSG, undoubtedly. Want num bers? These are the ones that count.

[JoeFromPA]

Jake,

That was undoubtedly the most salesy post I've ever seen from you - and you've been an awesome source of info for the forum and broader community, besides the work you do and products you drive.

You use 3 failed cars as a case study with no evidence that your device would have prevented them besides the assertion. Fine - I can live with that.

But you say $45k worth of damage could've been saved by $1600 worth of parts and that those are the numbers that count. Huh? That's true if the failure rate is 1 to 1.

If the failure rate is 20 to 1, then $12,000 worth of IMSG systems need to be employed for each $15,000 worth of work saved within the community (assuming $600 for the IMSG with installation). The cost to the community is near parity with the cost of fixing the catastrophe in that situation.

I make decisions based upon rational analysis and not fear-mongering done by those who would profit from it. I don't care about the early cars that failed - I do care about how often it occurs today. I wish that information was available to me.

I have no clear indication of failure ratesand one of the people most in a place to sum up such information, you, has basically said "Failure rates are meaningless. Install my part". This does not pass my "i'm being scammed" detector. I'm not even saying you are scamming people - I am simply saying that your last post really does you a disservice.

My car is worth maybe $12k. With a blown engine, maybe $3-4k. My risk is $9k - for something that costs $2k+ to fix, $400+ to observe, and affects maybe 10% of the population.

I might eat crow one day, absolutely, but I do so with the knowledge that I made a rational choice based upon the best information I had available at the time.

Edit: oh, and if that information changes, I'll be happy to re-evaluate and potentially use your products. I have no dog in this fight besides trying to make a good decision for my own purposes.

[jbs986]

Count me in, I will gladly pay $ 400.00 for one , just for peace of mind.

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by jbs986

Count me in, I will gladly pay $ 400.00 for one , just for peace of mind.

Totally out of curiosity, not criticizing or judging at all: Why are you looking at buying the detection device where the only end result is the purchase of the bearing anyway? Why are you not interested in just buying the bearing now and getting it over with?

[Jake Raby]

I certainly understand statistics..
I understand them enough to know that in this scenario they can't be calculated.

It's really simple:
The IMSG gives the advanced notice that an issue is imminent and no other device or process to date has been able do this. That advanced notice is what allows engines to be saved before collateral damage occurs that takes the engine out.

Either someone sees benefit in such a system, or they don't... Those that do see benefit buy it and the others do not, that's the freedom that we all have as Americans. Those who do invest in the technology get a sense of security that has only been available through an IMSR in the past at a much higher cost for the total process. The IMSG also has the ability to seek out 10 other forms of failure that the IMSR does not address and offers a 150% credit toward a Flat 6 engine solution to those who buy the unit through us.

Remember: until 2009 LN and I had not developed the technology to safely extract the IMS bearing with the engine together and in the car. The development of the IMSG pre-dates the IMSR as I had this idea before we ever retrofitted the first bearing successfully.

People call our Offices looking for a sense if security all day everyday and we cannot give it to them honestly. The IMSG gives this to them continually from the dash interface with an audible and visual IMS Alert and push to test features.

Believe in it? Great, buy it.
Don't believe in it? Don't buy it.
Its that simple.
That's said, the first 500 units are almost already spoken for in less than one week of pre-sales with zero advertisement and people still don't even know how it works. The do know what it offers and that's enough to captivate them.

I was basing nothing on the 3 cars here now except the fact that all of them could have been saved if advanced warning was given and the proper action was taken. When the female owner of one of them saw the technology employed in one of our test cars she asked why in the world we didn't come out with it sooner.
The IMS bearing failure isn't what generally drives the stake in the heart if the engine, it's a primary mode of failure that leads to collateral damage that is much worse and not able to be solved without complete engine teardown.

The female driver we were referring to has an IMS bearing that is still intact, but has failed. What took her off the road was a rod knock that was created from collateral damage. Her IMS bearing could be retrofitted today and she would still have a rod knock, if caught early enough the whole situation could have been much different and instead if 15k, she would be looking at 3k with a credit applied from my company if she had the IMSG employed.

The choice is yours.

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by blue2000s

Totally out of curiosity, not criticizing or judging at all: Why are you looking at buying the detection device where the only end result is the purchase of the bearing anyway? Why are you not interested in just buying the bearing now and getting it over with?

The old owner of the Boxster I own, had replaced the RMS and clutch at 60K miles, If he had not, then I would have replaced the IMS and RMS when I needed a new clutch.

The way I see it is, my clutch is good for another 60K before I need to replace it, when I do I will replace the IMS W/Jake's, until then it makes sense to have this IMS Guardian on my car.

[Bobiam]

My 3 yr aftermarket warranty is just about done with no claims (that's great), and it cost me around $1400. This Jake device is a much cheaper investment.

HOWEVER, my concern is false alarm. If the thing records a failure being imminent, we stop the car and tow it to safety. Then we are committed to an expensive repair. All well and good the Jake device worked as intended. But if it was a false alarm, then we're out big bucks for an IMS bearing replacement plus $400. What to do? What to do?

[jaykay]

Jake,

Just saw the teaser. Very slick and seamless system integration with the car's interior. I am impressed. The press to test feature really gives you away as an ex aircraft maint. engineer. Reminds me of fire suppression squib tests on certain older jets before lighting the APU.

Cool stuff!

[Overdrive]

Ok Jake, let me make sure I didn't misunderstand your post. So this device goes beyond simply monitoring what would bring about an IMS retrofit or replacement, and actually monitors other potential engine failure points? In the specific case you last mentioned, were you saying that the rod failed because of the IMS, or that the IMS failed because of the rod? Either way, you're saying the warning given by the IMS Guardian would have occured early enough to minimize the damage and possibly save the engine, yes?

BTW, I'm all for press-to-test being an aircraft maintainer, I wish cars had them, especially with all the different forms of monitoring that modern cars now have for various systems and components.

[dogsivew]

Jake,

I'm a DYI kind of guy for lots of projects but how easy on a scale of 1 to 10 is this install?

TIA