Seduced by another........not - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

smcgeary · 03-17-2011, 09:06 AM

Ive got an SC, and a 986 S. Family member owns a low mile 993 that I drive more than them

. I like all three cars for very different reasons. I will say the SC and 993 feel special when I drive them, don't know why. The manual everything in the SC really livens up the driving experience to me. As hard as it is to get away with anything on the streets these days, modern cars are boring at the same speed as the old SC. I find myself taking the 986 S to the track, and reaching for the SC on the street. Just more entertaining to me. At the end of the day all three are real Porsches.

Lil bastard · 03-17-2011, 10:53 AM

No offense, but these threads always crack me up.

There isn't any Law which states you can't like them both.

It's like some Loyalty Oath, or seeking affirmation/exoneration for buying a Boxster.

I loved my Boxster, but it was time to move on. Notice I didn't say move up or move down, simply move on.

I love my 964, the technology is older, though w/ only 24k mi. on the Odo, it all works perfectly. The technology and performance in the Boxster is newer (better if you will - not so sure when IMS and stuff happens).

I do have to say I enjoy driving the 964 more. It harks back to what a sports car always was, small, nimble, more visceral. Not loaded with driver aids and creature comforts, and definitely better built (as things from past eras often are).

I'm glad I owned a Boxster for so many years, but I don't think I'd have to do it again.

That may be the biggest difference, having owned an '83 SC in the past and loving it, it obviously left an impression and a longing to revisit the experience albeit in a future Gen.

IMHO, the lineage ended with the 993, the 996/997 aren't the same thing at all, at best a very distant cousin. It's a completely different car - 25% larger, 30% heavier, with old-time styling cues and an adopted name. Could have had an '03 996 (which I did look into, test drive, etc.) for the price paid for my 964, but it just wasn't for me.

Cheers!

JTP · 03-17-2011, 11:11 AM

I love my 986S but I will get a 964 or 993 within the next few years. I love the noise and manual feel to everything. I used to have a few 914s and I had more fun in those spartan little go carts than in my very comfortable Boxster.

stateofidleness · 03-17-2011, 03:21 PM

well, try taking a drive in the REAL 'poor man's porsche', the 914.
I absolutely LOVE driving the teener and it actually has a lot of the qualities that you described as unappealing about the older 911's.

The road noise, the thinner tires providing great road "feel", reliability?? lmao please..., and the VW jabs make it all that more charming.

I'd love a 993 though

Steve Tinker · 03-17-2011, 03:45 PM

Lil bastard, good to see you still visit your poor cousins website

I can appreciate exactly where you are coming from. I've owned 6 or 7 Alfa Romeo's over the years - all the old 1970's 105 1750 model GTV's. My son owns a "modern" V6 GTV which blows the socks off all of my old 105's, but somewhere Alfa lost the DNA of the older, a light, agile sportscar. Maybe Porsche have done the same over its morphing into the modern day 986 / 996 models.
But here in Oz (and I suspect in the US and Canada) you will pay double the cost of a good Boxster for a half decent 964 and even more for a 993.
Sorry, but a good air cooled car may be an intrinsically better built product inits day, but IMOHO its just not worth the premium to buy into the club. Maybe I just got unlucky with the 3 cars I drove, but.......

Lil bastard · 03-17-2011, 04:28 PM

@Steve Tinker,

I agree but also want to point out that Porsche isn't necessarily totally responsible either.

Economic realities, a risk averse society have all contributed to a dilution of this 'DNA'.

CAFE standards, Safety equipment (like TPMS because some single mother couldn't be bothered to check the tire pressures on her Ford Explorer) and such, have made the cars heavier and heavier despite significant substitution of lightweight plastics and composites.

It is now Government's role to protect us from ourselves, all the while forgetting that every endeavor in Life has risks.

But, I think Porsche too has compromised quality (compared to yesterday) for the sake of profit and dumbed down the cars to appeal to a broader, less specialized or niche market.

Cheers!

blue2000s · 03-17-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil bastard

But, I think Porsche too has compromised quality (compared to yesterday) for the sake of profit and dumbed down the cars to appeal to a broader, less specialized or niche market.

Because the 964/968/993 almost ran the company into the ground, financially.

Lil bastard · 03-17-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stateofidleness

well, try taking a drive in the REAL 'poor man's porsche', the 914.
I absolutely LOVE driving the teener and it actually has a lot of the qualities that you described as unappealing about the older 911's.

The road noise, the thinner tires providing great road "feel", reliability?? lmao please..., and the VW jabs make it all that more charming.

I'd love a 993 though

The Teenies are great cars, though wrongfully oft maligned... drove several back in the day, would love to own a 914-6 someday!

Cheers!

eightsandaces · 03-18-2011, 02:49 AM

To add on to Lil B's rant, Ferrari as most of you know just made a new 4 door. The realities of car making dictate a certain volume of production. Even if Porsche owned the sports car niche, it's not enough, hence the Cayenne and now Ferrari sedans. Hopefully, we won't be treated to a Lamborghini SUV anytime soon.

As for "back to the thread". After a visit to the doctor, I have determined I should drive a Ferrari as it's always been a bucket list wish, not own one, drive one. I know you can do it in Vegas but it's ludicrous expensive, then again I didn't expect it was going to be a cheap outing.. Old machines are cool, I'd love to have my first Fiat 500 or 850 coupe. I can relate to Lil B liking that 911 all day, I get it completely. The Fiat 124 can't win a race against anyone (well except a classic MG) but it's still an unbelievable blast to drive, really good fun with about 28 mpg.

laphan · 03-18-2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eightsandaces

To add on to Lil B's rant, Ferrari as most of you know just made a new 4 door. The realities of car making dictate a certain volume of production. Even if Porsche owned the sports car niche, it's not enough, hence the Cayenne and now Ferrari sedans. Hopefully, we won't be treated to a Lamborghini SUV anytime soon.

As for "back to the thread". After a visit to the doctor, I have determined I should drive a Ferrari as it's always been a bucket list wish, not own one, drive one. I know you can do it in Vegas but it's ludicrous expensive, then again I didn't expect it was going to be a cheap outing.. Old machines are cool, I'd love to have my first Fiat 500 or 850 coupe. I can relate to Lil B liking that 911 all day, I get it completely. The Fiat 124 can't win a race against anyone (well except a classic MG) but it's still an unbelievable blast to drive, really good fun with about 28 mpg.

we had a Lamborghini SUV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_LM002