Seduced by another........not

[Steve Tinker]

For one reason or another, I've always had this feeling that owning a 986 Boxster (and maybe a 996 Carrera) is tantamount to being a poor relative in the Porsche family. You know the score - water cooled (ugh), poor man's Porsche, not the real deal, no retail value and, even worse, that reliability question........

Suitably seduced, I have over the last few months been looking out for a suitable "real" Porsche as depicted by, and according to, the Rennlist and Rentech Forums - and this means owning at least a 911SC, a 964 or a (wallet allowing) 993.

A couple of days ago, my local (Australian) dealer in all things classic (Jaguars, BMW's, Alfa Romeo's, MB's etc, etc) advertised a 1989 Porsche 964 Carrera 4, in a rare colour combo, minimal ownership with only 94,000 km (58,000 miles) on the odo.
Looked real good and my wife suggested I go and have a looksee. I'm pretty handy with the wenches and (I assume) I should be able to maintain such a classic, as I do with my current Porsche.
I drove my 2001 Boxster S to the emporium (just in case they wanted to give me a trade in price) and I started looking at this classic "must have" - last of the air cooled "real" Porsches. After checking out the oil leaks, non existant A/C, spotted history and questionable ergonomics, it was maybe time for a 10 mile drive.

To put this into perspective, I realise I am driving a 22 year old car.

I don't expect GT3 ceramic brake capability.
I realise that suspension and roadholding have improved, but.....
I didn't expect the car to be slower than my Boxster.
Wind noise...
Tyre roar.....
Ear plugs please!!
And I NEVER listen to my radio either so don't say I'm missing out on the flat 6 symphony.....

I have also driven 3 other 911's recently (a 1978 2.7 and 2 x 198* SC 's) before this one. And they all drove the same - noisy, slightly vague suspension, questionable ergonomics, very poor ventilation and basically that old car "cloth cap" driving experience....
Yes, the doors closed with a vault like thunk, the leather was very impressive for its age, the paint quality was really good, & the carpets / fittings made my 986 look low rent...

BUT - after the drive, do you know the best bit....

Getting back into my poor mans Porsche, twisting the key and that badmouthed unreliable engine stabbing into motion - I dipped that light actioned clutch, snicked into gear & without a hint of any hissy fits, eased into the traffic and was off......
To a mere mortal like me, the Boxster handles like dream, the performance is accessable, the S brakes are class leading and the driving experience is sublime....
What a relief
Cracked a beer when I got home and celebrated not being seduced by another...

In retrospect, don't believe everything that you read on the websites (including this if you are a dyed in the wool 964 believer), but, please consider the fact that the 986 / 996 is by far and away the best value for money Porsche that you can buy.

If you don't believe me, go and try an early model P car and come back and convince me differently......

[jacabean]

i love the look and history of the old cars but they are old cars ! my 03S is old , the newer the porsche the better in my opinion. never go back only forward .

[blue2000s]

Different strokes for different folks.

I've driven a few pre-964 911s and always come away loving all of the sensations that they provide. The steering, shifter, and suspension are absolutely alive. The cars are so light, they are entertaining at any speed. I love the noises the car makes. It's all so mechanically unfiltered and pure. Modern cars don't come close save for maybe the Elise.

They have a long list of flaws, starting with scary handling traits, but to me, it only makes the car more personal and connected. It's very different and special.

I enjoy my Boxster alot. I've had it for 6 years and will probably keep it for a very long time. It's fast, smooth (once the tires roll for a couple of miles), sticks to the road like glue. But anyone could own this car and love it. My mother could easily live with this car every day.

It takes someone who appreciates that very unique mechanical intimacy to love the older Porsches.

[eightsandaces]

I concur with Steve, I have driven a couple air cooled 911s and I owned a 944. It's amazing how negative smears stick, the 944 is likely the most maligned Porsche except for it's bastard cousin the Audi powered 924. When you drive a 944, it's hard not to smile, I'll bet many haters have never driven one. I've thought hard about a gt3 before I leave this Earth. Given the forfeiture of chassis balance, insurance, maintenance costs (some have ceramic brakes) and at least 75K out of my wallet, I'll keep my Boxster. You can only legally drive so fast, the Box is plenty exhilarating for this old man, besides, when my disease is really expressing, I don't have to bend to get in, you gotta love convertibles.

[smcgeary]

Ive got an SC, and a 986 S. Family member owns a low mile 993 that I drive more than them . I like all three cars for very different reasons. I will say the SC and 993 feel special when I drive them, don't know why. The manual everything in the SC really livens up the driving experience to me. As hard as it is to get away with anything on the streets these days, modern cars are boring at the same speed as the old SC. I find myself taking the 986 S to the track, and reaching for the SC on the street. Just more entertaining to me. At the end of the day all three are real Porsches.

[Lil bastard]

No offense, but these threads always crack me up.

There isn't any Law which states you can't like them both.

It's like some Loyalty Oath, or seeking affirmation/exoneration for buying a Boxster.

I loved my Boxster, but it was time to move on. Notice I didn't say move up or move down, simply move on.

I love my 964, the technology is older, though w/ only 24k mi. on the Odo, it all works perfectly. The technology and performance in the Boxster is newer (better if you will - not so sure when IMS and stuff happens).

I do have to say I enjoy driving the 964 more. It harks back to what a sports car always was, small, nimble, more visceral. Not loaded with driver aids and creature comforts, and definitely better built (as things from past eras often are).

I'm glad I owned a Boxster for so many years, but I don't think I'd have to do it again.

That may be the biggest difference, having owned an '83 SC in the past and loving it, it obviously left an impression and a longing to revisit the experience albeit in a future Gen.

IMHO, the lineage ended with the 993, the 996/997 aren't the same thing at all, at best a very distant cousin. It's a completely different car - 25% larger, 30% heavier, with old-time styling cues and an adopted name. Could have had an '03 996 (which I did look into, test drive, etc.) for the price paid for my 964, but it just wasn't for me.

Cheers!