Official Cayman S pics online!

[eslai]

Originally Posted by Lux

Here's my problem with the 911 and Porsche in general. I don't like the 911. A car with its engine hanging out the back is not my cup of tea. I don't care about its heritage. BFD. Now, what I do like are mid-engined cars. So what's the problem? I want a faster mid-engined car!

The logical upgrade for me is NOT a 911. It's a Boxster-type car with more power. But everybody thinks that you buy an "entry" into the Porsche world thru the Boxster and "upgrade" to the 911. This makes no sense. The cars are fundamentally different.

Look at the Cayenne. There's the lowly 6 cylinder, the V8, and the ludicrous-speed Turbo. Would you tell a V6 Cayenne owner to "upgrade" to a 911? Of course not. Totally different car. Well, same goes for the Boxster.

Why doesn't the Boxster have the same power upgrade path that is present in the 911 and the Cayenne (which BTW, is a friggen SUV for crying out loud).

Not that I really care. I'm enjoying my Boxster at the moment. But from what I can see, my next car won't be a Porsche.

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The problem I have with this popular viewpoint is, well, what does it matter where the engine is? Let the results speak for themselves!

Yes, I agree, it's a stupid place for the engine, but hey, they make it work, and they're not going to change it. The 911 is Porsche, in all its funky glory.

If you really want a faster Boxster, why not do an engine swap?

[Lux]

Originally Posted by eslai

The problem I have with this popular viewpoint is, well, what does it matter where the engine is? Let the results speak for themselves!

You are completely missing the point. It's not just the end result. Go compare a S2K, 987 & E36 M3. All have 240 hp. So do they all drive the same? Not even close. A Cayman/Boxster with a 911 motor will not drive the same as a 911. It's not just about numbers, but also about how a car feels. If it was just about numbers, I'd go with a Z06 all day long. Cheap to mod and would kick the snot out of just about any Porsche in a straight line and in the corners (too bad the car has the feel/feedback of mud). I was 2 steps from pulling the trigger on a Z06. The speed and handling was awesome. But the rest of the car (interior, driving feel, fit/finish) sucked ass.

Originally Posted by eslai

Yes, I agree, it's a stupid place for the engine, but hey, they make it work, and they're not going to change it. The 911 is Porsche, in all its funky glory.

Nobody's asking Porsche to change the 911...at least I'm not. I don't really care what they do to it. I just want to have the power options that they give to the 911 and the Cayenne SUV. Why is Porsche (and some owners) against this?

Now, about the engine being in the back...sure Porsche makes it work...at the expense of excessively stiff rear shocks and springs to go against Nature (physics). I'd buy a front engine car way before I'd buy a rear engine car.

Originally Posted by eslai

If you really want a faster Boxster, why not do an engine swap?

Hmm. Spend another $15K for a motor swap (and also void my warranty) in my brand new S? Nah. I'd probably do it if I was out of warranty though.

And lastly, why would someone buy a Cayman instead of a 997? Well, let's see:
1. It's mid-engined. Better handling thru physics.
2. It's reported to be faster around the Nurburgring than a 997 (yet is cheaper).
3. It's got a ton more storage space so it's more practical if you don't need 2 seats plus 2 pseudo-seats.
4. It's lighter. Again, better handling thru physics.
5. It's cheaper than a 997.


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[Pilot2519j]

5. It's cheaper than a 997.


Wrong answer. In order to be better it has to be more expensive. Come on guys get with the program! Repeat after me " I will not question the reason why the 911, an antiquated design, is a better handling car than the Boxster or Cayman" The only car better than a 911 is a more expensive 911. Per Autoweek latest issue, the Cayman was 7 seconds faster than the 987 and 4 seconds faster than the 911( 997) around the Nuhrurring