another dead boxster @#$%!

[02box]

on the first leg of my daily 100 mile round trip, almost to my my destination, 4 miles out on the interstate. big puff of blue smoke, another big puff, running rough. shut it down coasted to a stop. tried to restart and clunky noises ensued.
so now after being towed, I'm sitting here in my shop wondering how I will get the 50 miles back home tonight to my trusty 92 jeep comanche with 160,000 miles on it. I bought the porsche 1 year ago with 52,000. I've driven it 35,000 miles in that year with no real problems but it looks like I have the had the big one.
I'm not far from atlanta, north alabama so I'm hoping I can send it to jake to see if it's salvageable.
the car is in very good shape with 86,000..... except for the dead motor..
somehow it's a little easier knowing some, maybe a lot of you can feel my pain.

do I call Jake? just take to a P dealer and let them bend me over? scrape it?
geeez....

Thanks for listening. I'll appreciate your opinions...


Pat Keefe
2002 base, tip, dead motor

[Jake Raby]

Sounds like an IMS bearing failure.. You should have retrofitted that bearing while you could have, people don't think it can happen to them, until it does.

At any rate, sorry to hear the engine failed.. This has been a week of failure, 7 thus far have been called in and thats just since Monday.

I have a new "certified pre-owned engine program" thats designed to get a proven engine into the car with an updated IMS and a dozen other points of weakness addressed without breaking the bank.. That might be the best way for you to go.

[clickman]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

I have a new "certified pre-owned engine program" thats designed to get a proven engine into the car with an updated IMS and a dozen other points of weakness addressed without breaking the bank.

What sort of $ is this?

[Allen K. Littlefield]

Originally Posted by clickman

What sort of $ is this?

Sounds like a winner. Since these engines are basically 'plug and play', Jake could ship a finished engine to your local mechanic and have him install it thus saving sending the whole car to and fro. I think reasonably priced upgraded engine will be a godsend to all of us on pins and needles while enjoying our M96 engines. Thanks Jake and keep us posted on upgrades and pricing.

AKL (over 48k and still chugging along)

[02box]

The car should be at Jakes by 8pm tonight. 12 hours after engine failure. now that's service. I'm already looking forward to getting it back. these guys are on the ball. I'm feeling good that my car is on the way to Jake's even though I'm bummed that the engine failed. security that comes with confidence in how professional these guys at Jakes place are.
will keep y'all posted...

Pat

[stab1991]

Originally Posted by 02box

The car should be at Jakes by 8pm tonight. 12 hours after engine failure. now that's service. I'm already looking forward to getting it back. these guys are on the ball. I'm feeling good that my car is on the way to Jake's even though I'm bummed that the engine failed. security that comes with confidence in how professional these guys at Jakes place are.
will keep y'all posted...

Pat

Hope for good news. AOS and hydrolocking or something.

[extanker]

maybe the AOS went bad and semi lock the motor giving you that nasty cranking noise

[tnoice]

Originally Posted by extanker

maybe the AOS went bad and semi lock the motor giving you that nasty cranking noise

I THINK EXTANKER HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE BY THE THIRD POST!!

On a side note though, it is great to add reliability and peace of mind with one little part.

[mikefocke]

hydrolock the motor, things can get pretty busted up in there. What he got by going to Jake was not just an AOS change but an analysis of the engine for any secondary damage. That he got out of there with so little (easy for me to say, I wasn't paying) wrong with the engine was luck. He now has peace of mind not only because of the AOS and IMS but because of the analysis of the state of the engine.

What we got out of it was insight into the thought process that a very experienced mechanic went through to identify the problem and to insure that that was the only problem and it was worth fixing.

Thanks to both 02box and Jake for sharing the experience with us.

[Jake Raby]

Had I just thrown an AOS on it without pulling the plugs and going further the engine would have failed the first time the #1 piston travelled toward TDC, while on the starter.

I've seen that happen before.. Throwing parts at a problem is quick and when it works it saves money. When it doesn, it can cost an engine.

Pat's description of what happened wasn't classic AOS, so I assumed the worst and worked from there.

[tnoice]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Had I just thrown an AOS on it without pulling the plugs and going further the engine would have failed the first time the #1 piston travelled toward TDC, while on the starter.

I've seen that happen before.. Throwing parts at a problem is quick and when it works it saves money. When it doesn, it can cost an engine.

Pat's description of what happened wasn't classic AOS, so I assumed the worst and worked from there.

I hope you did not think I meant any ill comments. You know, hindsight is 20/20. This thread was absolutely amazing to read, and the troubleshooting was amazing. Yes, many people would simply throw a AOS on and be done with it and break the motor in the process, and then say.....must have been something else. I have a friend of mine that took a ford explorer to a local dealership and SOMEHOW while changing a fuel rail and injector flooded one of the cylinders with fuel and then immediatly cranked the motor over and blew the motor up. They told him....well it was our mistake, however the motor was already broke when you brought it in, and that led to the reason that it blew up. He had to pay $5,000 for a new motor. He is still fighting that one.

So question is, would you include changing out the AOS every 60-80,000 miles AND the water pump a good precautionary measure, or is it not needed. Run it till it breaks?

I think the insight and precautionary attitude is great. Thanks.

[ChrisZang]

so sorry about that.
I'd skip the call to the Porsche dealer (this will just make you upset) and start with Jake Raby

[02box]

Jake,
Yea, we all think, won't happen right now..... until it does.
I've already talked to my tow truck guy and they will deliver the car to you.
I'm just north of birmingham in cullman, AL.
when can I send the car to you? can I get your info off of your website?
you can email me personally at p.keefe@mindspring.com
Thanks Jake.

Pat Keefe

[Jake Raby]

Pat, email sent..
We look forward to working with you.

[stab1991]

Sorry to hear about your dilema, Hopoefully its not the IMS that failed. just curious, I have a base 2010 with the 2.9 Do I have an ims too?

[extanker]

Originally Posted by stab1991

Sorry to hear about your dilema, Hopoefully its not the IMS that failed. just curious, I have a base 2010 with the 2.9 Do I have an ims too?

09 up [gen2] dont have that old system......ours just smoke like hell on startups...well mine does

[Jake Raby]

Car is on the way now.. We'll make a posterchild out of this one, I'll share the pics, and mode of failure here on the forum.

[stab1991]

Originally Posted by extanker

09 up [gen2] dont have that old system......ours just smoke like hell on startups...well mine does

Thanks, and about the smoke on startup- we just dont look back. lol

[Perfectlap]

Jake Raby, are you free to ball park the number of IMS failures that have come to your shop and how long a time period that ecompasses?

[extanker]

Originally Posted by stab1991

Thanks, and about the smoke on startup- we just dont look back. lol

sometimes i cant see back there or i get someone telling me that my car smoked real bad....dealer says its normal...i say....porsche,what was i thinking