Ouch, IMS failure on Ebay - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

mptoledo · 09-21-2009, 04:03 PM

Too bad this sweet 2003 "s" went for $10,000 on ebay. I feel for this guy as he only had it for 2k miles. A picture is worth a thousand words. would make a great car for a Raby engine upgrade.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-Porsche-Boxster-S-Intermediate-Engine-Shaft-Failure_W0QQitemZ290351120567QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS _Cars_Trucks?hash=item439a4680b7&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

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Jaxonalden · 09-21-2009, 04:52 PM

Quite the legal description and disclaimer if Porsche ends up paying for the repair. I like the part about working for Porsche.

wanna986 · 09-21-2009, 06:30 PM

"It will also state that we (the sellers) are the party damaged by the engine failure, and are the rightful recipients of any future settlement against Porsche in regard to Boxster engine failures."

Can he do this?

jmatta · 09-22-2009, 06:17 AM

Project anyone?

Jake Raby · 09-22-2009, 07:15 AM

Man, I wish I would have seen that!! I have a team looking for a Boxster S for a Grand Am race car..

Kirk · 09-22-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wanna986

"It will also state that we (the sellers) are the party damaged by the engine failure, and are the rightful recipients of any future settlement against Porsche in regard to Boxster engine failures."

Can he do this?

That is a good question. I'm not really sure about the seller's legal rights. However, they are the ones who are suffering a loss here. The failed engine has decreased their sale price significantly. The buyer has no loss, they're getting the car pretty cheap. So I think it would stand to reason that the seller would be the one to benefit from any future settlement so as to set things right.

Kirk

JFP in PA · 09-22-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirk

That is a good question. I'm not really sure about the seller's legal rights. However, they are the ones who are suffering a loss here. The failed engine has decreased their sale price significantly. The buyer has no loss, they're getting the car pretty cheap. So I think it would stand to reason that the seller would be the one to benefit from any future settlement so as to set things right.

Kirk

Unfortunately, legally that is not going to happen as the seller sold the car with a “clear” title, not an encumbered one; any future settlement transferred to the buyer, so the seller is out in any future settlement. And, in any case, you would have to be nuts to buy a car with an encumbered title…………..

blinkwatt · 09-22-2009, 08:59 AM

Check his last line out.

'Individuals affiliated with Porsche in any way agree to pay double.'

Hahahaha

mptoledo · 09-22-2009, 09:05 AM

My favorite line of his ebay post was
"Individuals affiliated with Porsche in any way agree to pay double"

I guess I would be bitter if my ims crapped out after 2k miles.

Perfectlap · 09-22-2009, 06:01 PM

Is there any truth to this occuring more with the 03-04 cars because of the revised IMS design being more prone to failure than the earlier design?

This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title and sure enough it was an 03.

timothy · 09-22-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Is there any truth to this occuring more with the 03-04 cars because of the revised IMS design being more prone to failure than the earlier design?

Not sure but my 03 has 92k miles and is going strong both on the street and track. That being said it will probably die tomorrow.

Sure wish I had seen this auction before it ended!

blinkwatt · 09-23-2009, 07:16 AM

The IMS was redesigned in 00'+ from the 97-99's,hence why it's an issue with newer M96 engines. 3.2L & 3.4L tend to have more of an issue with it. Just look how many 996 bad engine threads there are on Rennlist. If the IMS were redesigned again from 03'+ on I'm not sure.

Jake Raby · 09-23-2009, 10:34 AM

The IMS bearing revisions made the issues WORSE! The early cars have a double row bearing, mid year cars have a single row bearing with 1/2 as much bearing support!!

this was done to allow bearing removal and replacement so Porsche didn't owe you a new engine under warranty when it started to take a crap.

They all equally suck, I received a phone call yesterday from an IMS victim with a failure of a 00 bearing at 37K miles.. Today I have gotten TWO calls, one from an 02 Carrera owner and the other from an 04 Boxster S Owner.

Last week I had 7 IMS bearing failure calls, and two D chunk failure calls...

Perfectlap · 09-23-2009, 11:31 AM

^ What's the fix costing these days? (on the boxster not the 996)

Do you ever see this with the 996 TT's?

blinkwatt · 09-23-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Do you ever see this with the 996 TT's?

Shouldn't be. The TT,gt2,gt3 engines are all based of the GT1 race car and have completely different engine designs.

blinkwatt · 09-23-2009, 11:51 AM

Jake I thought the IMS was redesigned from 99'-00' to reduce engine noise?

ChrisZang · 09-23-2009, 01:01 PM

$10k is a damn good price for a roller IMHO

Question for Jake:
When my IMS failed last year my ext. warranty paid for a new engine

This engine was supposed to have "all the upgrades".
Any idea what Porsche did to make a 2008 3.2L replacement engine more solid?

Jake Raby · 09-23-2009, 02:13 PM

The 2008 bearing is the same as the M97 bearing.. It was made enormous and cannot be removed from the engine, or modified at all.

They do fail.

The IMS bearing being re-designed for "Engine noise reduction" is the reason Porsche gave for the revision.

Is that the real reason??