11-04-2008, 07:27 AM
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M96 Motor Article in Excellence
Has anyone read the article on our motors in the new Excellence? As usual, Jim Pasha (RIP), had a great write up on the M96 line of motors for both the Boxster and 996/997 autos. He pointed out the inherit weakness of the IMS, though somewhat comforting, he stated the 3.2 ltr motors were the strongest of the lot.
He went on further to discuss the upgrades available from Flat 6 Innovations, which have been discussed here and on other boards by developers Jake Raby and Charles Navarro. I was intrigued by their billet adapter which replaces the plastic oil filter container and allows use of a traditional oil filter. Checked their website www.flat6innovations.com, however, and didn't see it listed.
If my 3.2 ever goes south, I will have them rebuild it to a 3.6. Fortunately, my car just broke 15k miles and I hope I don't need to do this for some time to come. He did stress the importance of frequent oil changes and monitoring operating temps, both oil and coolant; especially those in warm climates.
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11-04-2008, 07:36 AM
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11-04-2008, 10:24 AM
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I had been waiting for that issue since Jake Raby let us know it was coming. Finally got here yesterday.
So far I have read it three times and take in a bit more each time.
Comments regarding the late Jim Pasha's technical writing were spot on, and this his last piece served to remind all of us how much he will continued to be missed.
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11-04-2008, 11:18 AM
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Auto Farm...
...in the UK is doing similar work and you may want to check them out and see how close they are to the work being done here. I keep all the "developers" on my bookmark list so I can drop in from time to time and be reassured. Nice to know that there is hope for our engines.
'02 2.7 TIP 43k no engine failure yet  . Had RMS leak fixed under warranty.
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11-04-2008, 03:01 PM
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Is it on newsstands yet? Their website still lists the November 2008 issue as current.
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11-07-2008, 04:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Allen K. Littlefield
...in the UK is doing similar work and you may want to check them out and see how close they are to the work being done here. I keep all the "developers" on my bookmark list so I can drop in from time to time and be reassured. Nice to know that there is hope for our engines.
'02 2.7 TIP 43k no engine failure yet  . Had RMS leak fixed under warranty.
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The company in the UK has much different processes than we do in regard to cylinder repairs and updates. They also haven't created their own IMS bearings, retainers, connecting rods, main and rod bearings or oil system enhancements. And your dollar won't go far at all there!
Sorry for the bit of a rant, but all too often people mistakingly compare our program to the Auto-farm prgram when the two share nothing in common.
It's also our biggest desire to empower your local shop with the ability to actually work on and update your engine throigh our training and component programs. Thats because Porswche won't be supporting your engine forever and your local shop doesn't know what is necessary to complete internal work on these engines, and most don't have the tools necessary.
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11-07-2008, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake Raby
The company in the UK has much different processes than we do in regard to cylinder repairs and updates. They also haven't created their own IMS bearings, retainers, connecting rods, main and rod bearings or oil system enhancements. And your dollar won't go far at all there!
Sorry for the bit of a rant, but all too often people mistakingly compare our program to the Auto-farm prgram when the two share nothing in common.
It's also our biggest desire to empower your local shop with the ability to actually work on and update your engine throigh our training and component programs. Thats because Porswche won't be supporting your engine forever and your local shop doesn't know what is necessary to complete internal work on these engines, and most don't have the tools necessary.
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Jake, I don't consider your reply as a rant but more of a clarification. My point was that there are folks in the UK interested in solving the problem of these engines and Auto Farm is only one I know of. Not suggesting they are duplicating your research but responding in their own way to their own research.
I have been informing our local Porsche trained mechanic and urging him to stay tuned for what you come up with. I believe he has a whole new enterprise by installing and servicing upgraded engines. I also believe that a Boxster or 996 will be worth more in the long run with a Raby upgrade engine than one with a stock engine which will help offset the cost. I also imagine that as more engines are rebuilt the cost per unit will probably drop making them even more desirable to have. Cudos to you sir for what you are doing and too bad Porsche doesn't recognize the problem and give you some support but that would be too much of a stretch, now wouldn't it?
AKL
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11-07-2008, 08:16 AM
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I read the article this morning first run through, lots of information there, it's like drinking from a fire hose. I do have to say this, after my first read, I am starting to understand why Brucelee is so negative about Porsche and this particular engine.
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11-07-2008, 02:24 PM
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I would like to encourage my independent Porsche tuner and engine builder to investigate Jake's program. As a well known Porsche specialist (Sol Synderman at Perfect Power Buffalo Grove IL), Sol could take all the referrals from the various dealers and shops in the northern Illinois market and become a one stop outlet for the owners. Engine building, street/race car prep and maintenance is his specialty; love to see him set up a program to repair and modernize these motors.
I've witnessed his work with the aircooled motors and the modern watercooled cup cars.
Again, we thank Jake for his leadership and involvement in this venture.
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