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08-27-2008, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by grantsfo
Yeah its a MazdaSpeed 6 and its a torque monster! There arent many cars that can beat my MS6 off the line in 1st gear. .
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Considering the car is front wheel drive I question that statement.
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08-27-2008, 05:09 PM
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If someone tries to race me, I just laugh, turn up my Steven Ray Vaughan, and roll off.... :dance:
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08-27-2008, 06:32 PM
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Street racing is of course, not appropriate.
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08-27-2008, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gmboxster
If someone tries to race me, I just laugh, turn up my Steven Ray Vaughan, and roll off.... :dance:
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I'm with you. If I wanted to prove something, it wouldn't be in a Boxster, or on the street.
I let them go, I think it deflates them, or they have a good day bragging on how they beat a Porsche. I think it upsets them more if you refuse to go.
'Course, they're driving home in their mazda, mustang, civic or what have you, while I'm the one driving the Porsche.
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08-27-2008, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam
Considering the car is front wheel drive I question that statement. 
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It is AWD... and I disagree with the off-the-line performance. AWD tends to hinder off the line performance, to a point. Recall the DSM twins of the mid 90s- the FWD Laser was quicker to 60 than the AWD Talon. Both had the same 4G63t or whatever. Grip can be a bad thing sometimes... plus, AWD cars tend to be boring to drive (unless you have an obscene amount of power and a good chassis).
Anyway, I've driven an MS6, and I'm of the opinion that the 2.3 is mismatched. It fits the MS3 pretty damn well, but it felt wheezy and too rubber-bandy in power delivery (nice descriptor, huh?) in the bigger 6. I remember seeing them on Mazda lots with heavy discounts... they couldn't even give them away. Needed a ballsier V6 instead.
More to the point, if the driver in the MS6 against the Boxster took off leisurely, there is no way it'd beat a Boxster. Too laggy, as evidenced by the fact that a rolling 5-60 start takes a full 1.5 seconds longer than it does from a dig.
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08-27-2008, 07:07 PM
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Are you sure you drove a MS6? There is absolutely no turbo lag with the 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo. They make huge low end power. ...more than any weazy Japanese V6. Actually more than some American V8's! Agree on huge discounts! Mazda did terrible job marketing the car as it wasnt as boy racer as the EVO or STi and it wasnt as refined as the V6 regular Mazda 6. The car was a steal I got MS6 GT Model with full leather, heated seats, stability control, traction control, HID headlights, and tons of other options that listed fo $31K MSRP for $25K.
Yeah they are slow off the line! LOL! Just check out these videos.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/mustang-GT-2005-VS-6-2006_59977.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/mazdaspeed-6-VS-corvette_72478.htm
I routinely leave Corvettes and Shelby 500GT's off the line at the strip. They dont catch me until halfway through second gear. Then its all over. If the MS6 motor was weasy with turbo lag I wouldnt place as high in AX events either. HUGE torque and AWD are the cars key advantage. There arent many Porsches that make 280 ft/lbs at 3000 RPM.
Finally there's real life and what you read in magazines. So hope everyone has learned when a humble looking Japanese sedan pulls up next to you and revs its engine you just need to turn up your stereo and give up any hope of being a boy or girl racer because your doors will be blown off by some punk not worth wasting your time on.
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Originally Posted by Samson
It is AWD... and I disagree with the off-the-line performance. AWD tends to hinder off the line performance, to a point. Recall the DSM twins of the mid 90s- the FWD Laser was quicker to 60 than the AWD Talon. Both had the same 4G63t or whatever. Grip can be a bad thing sometimes... plus, AWD cars tend to be boring to drive (unless you have an obscene amount of power and a good chassis).
Anyway, I've driven an MS6, and I'm of the opinion that the 2.3 is mismatched. It fits the MS3 pretty damn well, but it felt wheezy and too rubber-bandy in power delivery (nice descriptor, huh?) in the bigger 6. I remember seeing them on Mazda lots with heavy discounts... they couldn't even give them away. Needed a ballsier V6 instead.
More to the point, if the driver in the MS6 against the Boxster took off leisurely, there is no way it'd beat a Boxster. Too laggy, as evidenced by the fact that a rolling 5-60 start takes a full 1.5 seconds longer than it does from a dig.
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08-27-2008, 07:47 PM
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Don't want to drive a Mazda
First some disclaimers; I'm a newbie, Don't race, Have a decent size ego but not from my cars.....no interest in driving a Mazda, for any reason.
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08-28-2008, 05:17 AM
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I didn't mean for this to get turned into a Mazda commercial.
I simply said that the Solara was embarrassed. And I was not "racing" him.
Again, this was a turn with acceleration. I find it hard to believe that there's a lot of Japanese cars that could out handle a Boxster in the turns. If so it's probbaly because of a better driver.
Everyone know's Boxsters are not straight runners. If so we'd all buy vette's, cobra's etc.
BTW, I drove the Passat today b/c it's supposed to rain. I didn't see the Solara either.
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08-28-2008, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sparkycrash
First some disclaimers; I'm a newbie, Don't race, Have a decent size ego but not from my cars.....no interest in driving a Mazda, for any reason.
Crash
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OUCH!
I love reading how the mazda owner claiming it's some kind of revelations that his 4 door mazda can beat our little boxsters.
He has no idea of what's out there.
Last edited by ekam; 08-28-2008 at 05:53 AM.
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08-28-2008, 05:52 AM
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08-28-2008, 06:34 AM
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very sad!!!
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08-28-2008, 02:12 PM
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Please note that when I said the MS6 beat my wifes 335XI it was because she had no intention of racing him on the street. The kid was going flat out while she was just driving normally (yeah she likes speed). No way the MSd could have taken her car if she tried. The 335 is no slouch either as its got 300 lb-ft of torque coming on at 1500 RPM! Compared to my boxster its got way more power but it really is a sleeper car. Not that much fun to drive in my opinion but very refined. As for owning a Mazda rocket? I'll pass
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Originally Posted by ekam
OUCH!
I love reading how the mazda owner claiming it's some kind of revelations that his 4 door mazda can beat our little boxsters.
He has no idea of what's out there.
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08-28-2008, 03:35 PM
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Why do these kind of threads always start arguments ? Drive what you like, enjoy it and who cares what others think about your choice of car. I love my boxster, not interested in street racing whatsoever and if others drivers don't like it, so what.... Japanese make outstanding cars as does Porsche, they are just different. If someone offered me a free Honda Accord and Boxster I would accept both of them with a HUGE smile on my face. Peace.
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