Another one bites the dust - value??

[Brucelee]

My neighbor still talks about the sound when she recalls her 04 dying by way of the IMS.

Must sound pretty bad.

Kind of like when you try to start an engine that is running?

[AddictionRacing]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

My neighbor still talks about the sound when she recalls her 04 dying by way of the IMS.

Must sound pretty bad.

Kind of like when you try to start an engine that is running?

More like a marble or nut meandering throughout your motor, bashing whatever it feels like bashing. It'll quiet down for a few seconds, maybe even a minute or two at a time, and then the destruction continues. I've been telling people that the motor ate itself and is now an $11,000 boat anchor. Now if I only had a boat....

I'm also going to take this opportunity to vent about something I've read on this board - the issue of "abuse." IMHO abuse includes over-revving, missing shifts, botching downshifts, and failure to maintain, especially failure to change the oil. Abuse does NOT include hard driving on the street or autocross course, or even some track use without over-revving the motor. The reason I and many others buy Porsches is to DRIVE them HARD . Other posts on this and other sites recommend driving at high RPMs to "clear out the carbon" and such. These things were (supposedly) designed to be tough sports cars that should be driven viciously for the entire duration of a tank of gas. (Something to that effect was presented in a 993 promotional video circa 1995). A true sports car should certainly be good from some track and autocross use and some regular street beatings. I have a 142k mile Jetta that has been beaten, abused, romped on, red-lined, and generally violated for the last 75k miles including track events, 80 or so autocrosses, and plenty of street thrashing. It takes it like a champ and asks for more. I don't think I was asking too much of the Boxster if I only wanted it to be as tough as my trusty old Jetta. Okay - I feel a little better - my rant is over - for now. :troll:

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by AddictionRacing

More like a marble or nut meandering throughout your motor, bashing whatever it feels like bashing. It'll quiet down for a few seconds, maybe even a minute or two at a time, and then the destruction continues. I've been telling people that the motor ate itself and is now an $11,000 boat anchor. Now if I only had a boat....

I'm also going to take this opportunity to vent about something I've read on this board - the issue of "abuse." IMHO abuse includes over-revving, missing shifts, botching downshifts, and failure to maintain, especially failure to change the oil. Abuse does NOT include hard driving on the street or autocross course, or even some track use without over-revving the motor. The reason I and many others buy Porsches is to DRIVE them HARD . Other posts on this and other sites recommend driving at high RPMs to "clear out the carbon" and such. These things were (supposedly) designed to be tough sports cars that should be driven viciously for the entire duration of a tank of gas. (Something to that effect was presented in a 993 promotional video circa 1995). A true sports car should certainly be good from some track and autocross use and some regular street beatings. I have a 142k mile Jetta that has been beaten, abused, romped on, red-lined, and generally violated for the last 75k miles including track events, 80 or so autocrosses, and plenty of street thrashing. It takes it like a champ and asks for more. I don't think I was asking too much of the Boxster if I only wanted it to be as tough as my trusty old Jetta. Okay - I feel a little better - my rant is over - for now. :troll:

All things considered from above, would you be "understanding" if that poor jetta said POP?

[AddictionRacing]

Originally Posted by Quickurt

All things considered from above, would you be "understanding" if that poor jetta said POP?

Oh yeah - That poor thing has done her time. She just doesn't quit though! The difference in the cost to own VWs and Porsches is that the VW will slowly break many small parts that will nickle and dime you to death but will continue to run and can almost always be put back together for under $1000. Porsches go POP! and then you're screwed - time for a second mortgage (I'm kidding - don't take out a second mortgage). I think I'll go back to my roots.

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by AddictionRacing

Oh yeah - That poor thing has done her time. She just doesn't quit though! The difference in the cost to own VWs and Porsches is that the VW will slowly break many small parts that will nickle and dime you to death but will continue to run and can almost always be put back together for under $1000. Porsches go POP! and then you're screwed - time for a second mortgage (I'm kidding - don't take out a second mortgage). I think I'll go back to my roots.

Totally agreed, Addiction. I'm not trying to be the proverbial butthead here, it's just that when you buy an expensive, fairly high stressed car, it's not going to be beatable like the lower stressed VW and it's gonna take a big ole bite outa your wallet if it fails.
My only problem with Porsche on the Boxster (and I don't know, is it the same with 996/997?) is this stupid "no rebuild" policy. What does it accomplish? Sell parts at 5000% mark up, like you do for every other car and make the damn thing rebuildable. There's nothing that can't be replaced or remanufactured in a box motor, it's just they keep the parts supply locked up and it's too small a market for aftermarket companies to get into.
It looks to me like quite a business opportunity to make a kit to install...I'll shut up up now.

[AddictionRacing]

Originally Posted by Quickurt

Totally agreed, Addiction. I'm not trying to be the proverbial butthead here, it's just that when you buy an expensive, fairly high stressed car, it's not going to be beatable like the lower stressed VW and it's gonna take a big ole bite outa your wallet if it fails.
My only problem with Porsche on the Boxster (and I don't know, is it the same with 996/997?) is this stupid "no rebuild" policy. What does it accomplish? Sell parts at 5000% mark up, like you do for every other car and make the damn thing rebuildable. There's nothing that can't be replaced or remanufactured in a box motor, it's just they keep the parts supply locked up and it's too small a market for aftermarket companies to get into.
It looks to me like quite a business opportunity to make a kit to install...I'll shut up up now.

Now you're on to something, Kurt. I can honestly say that including 911s the Boxster was my favorite car to drive. The feel is superior to anything I've experienced (driving a car ). I spoke with the owner of a certain shop in the West who is very interested in engineering a kit to fit a Chevy 350 in the Boxster. He wants the first one to be quite a beast, built in their shop, for someone with the money to pay for the beast. I have the car and the interest, but don't have the money to throw at it. If the kit existed at this point in time for a reasonable amount though, I'd be ordering a small block Chevy to reliably power my incredible handling roadster.

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by AddictionRacing

Now you're on to something, Kurt. I can honestly say that including 911s the Boxster was my favorite car to drive. The feel is superior to anything I've experienced (driving a car ). I spoke with the owner of a certain shop in the West who is very interested in engineering a kit to fit a Chevy 350 in the Boxster. He wants the first one to be quite a beast, built in their shop, for someone with the money to pay for the beast. I have the car and the interest, but don't have the money to throw at it. If the kit existed at this point in time for a reasonable amount though, I'd be ordering a small block Chevy to reliably power my incredible handling roadster.

I'm talking right now to my old indy Porsche mechaninc for us to do a kit to put in something a little more along the lines of the original motor. I designed and CNC machined all the stuff to put the first Hinda engine in Formula Atlantic Swift DB4. It had to be worse than what I'm thinking about. I had to machine sections of useless crap off the sides of the engine block to not destroy the ground-effects tunnels of the chassis, and the starter operated with a twin u-jointed shaft from it's mount point on the FRONT of the engine! I no longer own the machine shop, but my ex-partner and I have remained close friends.