Porsche Goes Electric

[Perfectlap]

well there will be a major house cleaning of govt this fall. Did you see today's consumer confidence report? Lowest numbers in 16 years or something.

I dunno I kind of see big changes in terms of personal consumption of food, fuel and credit. Three things that got us into this mess and so far behind Asia and Europe. This could be the begining of ths country becoming more "European"...getting thinner, driving smaller cars, etc.
This era of American excess where you order dinner and they bring you a 1000 calorie portion, bagels the size of a soccer ball, big gulps, Licoln Navigators the size of 1920's Packard, 50" plasma TV's in a small living room, its all done.

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

well there will be a major house cleaning of govt this fall. Did you see today's consumer confidence report? Lowest numbers in 16 years or something.

Where did consumer confidence tracking come from?

Isn't it a metric for the media to measure how much negative influence they are having, and then use that number to further run down consumer confidence?
Why is it only an issue during election cycles, when republicans are in office? I don't remember a word about it during the 2000 election cycle.

In fact, the economy was just rosy as could be, right up until the time the Goracle conceded. The next morning, the very next morning, ABC Morning news led off with these four words: "Trouble in the economy" Those four words led off a torrent of negative economic news that has not stopped yet, and will not stop until the nation elects another democrat to the Whitehouse.

Like so many, I worked hard to get the republicans elected, only to have them stab me in the back, so they deserve what they have coming. They deserve it, but we don't and we're the ones fixing to suffer.

Democrat pols are crooked lawyers, telling liberals what they want to hear to get their votes.
Republican pols are crooked lawyers, telling conservatives what they want to hear to get their votes.
After the election, they are just all crooked lawyers taking care of themselves, at our expense.

I'll climb down now.

[Perfectlap]

Today's Consumer Confidence findings are tracked by a private group in NY.
I'm assuming the credit markets look at these studies closely.

Here's an interesting piece on the electric cars, solars, etc.


Here's a company EEstor that's come up with a battery that can be charged in 5 minutes at a special charging station and will allow a car to be driven 300 miles or at home in using off peak rates at night for a few hours. People say had we started drilling 10 years ago we'd still have $3 gas. I keep thinking if we had put real money behind these hybrids and electrics 10 years ago we'd actually be exporting a ton of eco friendly cars to billions in Asia and India. That could have provided a ton of of middle class green collar jobs.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Today's Consumer Confidence findings are tracked by a private group in NY.
I'm assuming the credit markets look at these studies closely.

Here's an interesting piece on the electric cars, solars, etc.


Here's a company EEstor that's come up with a battery that can be charged in 5 minutes at a special charging station and will allow a car to be driven 300 miles or at home in using off peak rates at night for a few hours. People say had we started drilling 10 years ago we'd still have $3 gas. I keep thinking if we had put real money behind these hybrids and electrics 10 years ago we'd actually be exporting a ton of eco friendly cars to billions in Asia and India. That could have provided a ton of of middle class green collar jobs.

The problem is always, Who is we?

The govt policy has been clear. Don't allow energy development of any kind domestically.

Predictably, we now are very vulnerable to the Mid East.

Plenty of blame to pass around.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

The problem is always, Who is we?

The govt policy has been clear. Don't allow energy development of any kind domestically.

Predictably, we now are very vulnerable to the Mid East.

Plenty of blame to pass around.

Well seem to recall an energy bill that was shot down by the energy lobby back in December that would have requried a 15% committment to renewable energies by power companies. The 15% clause was removed and Bush went along with it.
Can't exactly say Congress wasn't at least trying to push renewables.

I mean its getting to be a joke. Status Quo defenders don't want the "We" to be private engergy companies and their profits, but neither do they want the govt. to kick in the money. Something's gotta give we can't just stand around looking at each other waiting for someone to step up to the plate. Flipping the country upside down and off of oil is going to require all hands on deck both govt and the most well profited private sectors. Otherwise its going to take 20 years.
We fought WWII by pulling govt and the private sector up by the boot straps.
In this current era we'd a been arguing until the Germans were at the statue of liberty on who was going to pay for it all.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Well seem to recall an energy bill that was shot down by the energy lobby back in December that would have requried a 15% committment to renewable energies by power companies. The 15% clause was removed and Bush went along with it.
Can't exactly say Congress wasn't at least trying to push renewables.

I mean its getting to be a joke. Status Quo defenders don't want the "We" to be private engergy companies and their profits, but neither do they want the govt. to kick in the money. Something's gotta give we can't just stand around looking at each other waiting for someone to step up to the plate. Flipping the country upside down and off of oil is going to require all hands on deck both govt and the most well profited private sectors. Otherwise its going to take 20 years.
We fought WWII by pulling govt and the private sector up by the boot straps.
In this current era we'd a been arguing until the Germans were at the statue of liberty on who was going to pay for it all.

There is plenty of private capital ready to explore for energy. I think Congress is showing you exacly why we are in the mess we are in right now.

Drill? Yes/No.

Next question

[Lil bastard]

Let's make the best of a bad situation !!

We're in Iraq and will be for many more months, probably years !!

Gasoline prices are at an all-time high and crippling the economy and the Middle-Class !!

So, let's force the Iraqi's into an agreement whereby whatever we spend on keeping our troops in their country to maintain order (which range from the Congressional Research Service (CRS) estimate of $8 billion per mo. to an estimated $12 billion per mo. by economist Joseph Stiglitz), an equivalent amount of Iraqi Oil is given the US in exchange.

This Oil would go into the Nat'l. Reserves and be dispensed 50/50 with crude from the Oil Cos. at the refinery !! That way, we would cut the price of gasoline and actually get something for all the tax dollars pouring into Iraq !!

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Quickurt

Where did consumer confidence tracking come from?

Isn't it a metric for the media to measure how much negative influence they are having, and then use that number to further run down consumer confidence?
Why is it only an issue during election cycles, when republicans are in office? I don't remember a word about it during the 2000 election cycle.

In fact, the economy was just rosy as could be, right up until the time the Goracle conceded. The next morning, the very next morning, ABC Morning news led off with these four words: "Trouble in the economy" Those four words led off a torrent of negative economic news that has not stopped yet, and will not stop until the nation elects another democrat to the Whitehouse.

Like so many, I worked hard to get the republicans elected, only to have them stab me in the back, so they deserve what they have coming. They deserve it, but we don't and we're the ones fixing to suffer.

Democrat pols are crooked lawyers, telling liberals what they want to hear to get their votes.
Republican pols are crooked lawyers, telling conservatives what they want to hear to get their votes.
After the election, they are just all crooked lawyers taking care of themselves, at our expense.

I'll climb down now.

Well said.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

well there will be a major house cleaning of govt this fall. Did you see today's consumer confidence report? Lowest numbers in 16 years or something.

I dunno I kind of see big changes in terms of personal consumption of food, fuel and credit. Three things that got us into this mess and so far behind Asia and Europe. This could be the begining of ths country becoming more "European"...getting thinner, driving smaller cars, etc.
This era of American excess where you order dinner and they bring you a 1000 calorie portion, bagels the size of a soccer ball, big gulps, Licoln Navigators the size of 1920's Packard, 50" plasma TV's in a small living room, its all done.

I guess I would differ with you on the "being behind Europe and Asia." IN what regard?