Most snow ever since 1966

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Dr. Kill

Yep - the Farmer's Almanac uses this methodology and their prediction this year was on target as usual. I wonder if Al Gore will have to give his prize back.

Politicians rarely give back anything of value.

But then, what is a Noble Peace Prize worth? Jimmy Carter has one.

Nuff said.

[Jump]

And here I've always thought that snow and the earth's climate were two different things. Amazing what you can learn here.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Jump

And here I've always thought that snow and the earth's climate were two different things. Amazing what you can learn here.

Would you agree that cold temperatures and snow are PART of the Earth's climate? It seems that heat and other natural manifestations of climate are used as evidence of GW. Why could not cold temps suggest that the warming is well, not acually happening?

Just a radical thought, never get published on CNBC or CNN.

[Brucelee]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14319334.200-not-warming-but-cooling-whatever-happened-to-globalwarming-it-seems-that-the-worlds-most-populous-areas-are-getting-coolerthe-culprit-this-time-is-the-aerosol-effect--reports-fred-pearce.html



Just when you think you got it all covered!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Kill]

[QUOTE=Brucelee]http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14319334.200-not-warming-but-cooling-whatever-happened-to-globalwarming-it-seems-that-the-worlds-most-populous-areas-are-getting-coolerthe-culprit-this-time-is-the-aerosol-effect--reports-fred-pearce.html
[QUOTE]

I love it:

"Climatologists who spent the past decade warning about global warming are fast reaching the conclusion that cooling poses just as big a threat. But it will not simply cancel out warming. Instead, they see the atmosphere simultaneously being pulled in two different directions by powerful changes to its basic physics and chemistry. It is likely to show increasing signs of stress and unpredictability as a result. "

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14319334.200-not-warming-but-cooling-whatever-happened-to-globalwarming-it-seems-that-the-worlds-most-populous-areas-are-getting-coolerthe-culprit-this-time-is-the-aerosol-effect--reports-fred-pearce.html


Just when you think you got it all covered!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting to see what they were looking at in 1994 isn't it? Probably before most of us even heard of the concept of Global Warming.

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

Would you agree that cold temperatures and snow are PART of the Earth's climate? It seems that heat and other natural manifestations of climate are used as evidence of GW. Why could not cold temps suggest that the warming is well, not acually happening?

Just a radical thought, never get published on CNBC or CNN.

What I will acknowledge is:

a) the MORE cold it is, the LESS likely it is to snow
b) if there is any truth to global warming it is going to present itself in long term trends, not yearly fluctuations. Anyone who believes that an abnormally warm year or an abnormally cold year proves or disproves the concept of global warming shouldn't be involved in the conversation.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Jump

What I will acknowledge is:

a) the MORE cold it is, the LESS likely it is to snow
b) if there is any truth to global warming it is going to present itself in long term trends, not yearly fluctuations. Anyone who believes that an abnormally warm year or an abnormally cold year proves or disproves the concept of global warming shouldn't be involved in the conversation.

Of course no one is implying that this winter PROVES anything.

However, that standard should apply BOTH ways.

Every climate related event that is negative is chalked up to GW. A bad storm the CA wildfires, hurricanes etc. The hysterics are not coming from the GW doubters. I would hope you would agree with that point.

What is good for the goose .........

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

Of course no one is implying that this winter PROVES anything.

However, that standard should apply BOTH ways.

Every climate related event that is negative is chalked up to GW. A bad storm the CA wildfires, hurricanes etc. The hysterics are not coming from the GW doubters. I would hope you would agree with that point.

What is good for the goose .........

I think that there are hysterics from the GW doubters as well (surprisingly hateful at times) but I'd agree that there are plenty on the other side who aren't doing anybody any good with blaming every little thing on GW. That needs to stop. Unfortunately, the media needs to sensationalize everything for ratings. One of the downsides of a free press.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Jump

I think that there are hysterics from the GW doubters as well (surprisingly hateful at times) but I'd agree that there are plenty on the other side who aren't doing anybody any good with blaming every little thing on GW. That needs to stop. Unfortunately, the media needs to sensationalize everything for ratings. One of the downsides of a free press.

Well, if you are going to start bashing the media, hey, OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I KNEW we could agree on something.

[Dr. Kill]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

But then, what is a Noble Peace Prize worth? Jimmy Carter has one.

This was running through my mind too. Please don’t forget:

2004 winner - Wangari Maathai - created controversy by appearing to lend credibility to the theory that HIV was invented by white scientists to destroy black people.

1973 winner - Henry Kissinger – awarded for his work on the Vietnam Peace Accords, despite having instituted the secret 1969–1975 campaign of bombing against infiltrating NVA in Cambodia, the alleged U.S. involvement in Operation Condor—a mid-1970s campaign of kidnapping and murder coordinated among the intelligence and security services of Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay—as well as the death of French nationals under the Chilean junta. He also supported the invasion of Cyprus resulting in approximately 1/3 of the island being occupied by foreign troops for 33 years.

1994 winner - Yasser Arafat – I don’t even need to get into why this is off-track

[Lil bastard]

Originally Posted by Dr. Kill

This was running through my mind too. Please don’t forget:

1973 winner - Henry Kissinger – awarded for his work on the Vietnam Peace Accords, despite having instituted the secret 1969–1975 campaign of bombing against infiltrating NVA in Cambodia, the alleged U.S. involvement in Operation Condor—a mid-1970s campaign of kidnapping and murder coordinated among the intelligence and security services of Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay—as well as the death of French nationals under the Chilean junta. He also supported the invasion of Cyprus resulting in approximately 1/3 of the island being occupied by foreign troops for 33 years.

We always hear about the failures of our intelligence and covert based foreign policies, but rarely it's successes. You can't have one without the other. Covert action and Intelligence gathering is a necessary, if not entirely palatable, endeavor.

We cannot know what the world (and our place in it) would be if these had not taken place. We know of our failures because these policies are ultimately made known.

We have much greater transparency than say do the British, French, Republic of South Africa, the former Soviet Union and now the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, Israel, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Lybya, and on and on. Were they all as transparent as we are on such issues, were some of their files to see the light of day, we could well be regarded as saints in comparison.

[Dr. Kill]

Originally Posted by Lil bastard

We always hear about the failures of our intelligence and covert based foreign policies, but rarely it's successes. You can't have one without the other. Covert action and Intelligence gathering is a necessary, if not entirely palatable, endeavor.

I am not making a judgment on what the guy did. I don’t know enough about it to make a judgment. I just found the irony kind of funny that he won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Vietnam at the same time he was instituting bombing raids and having people killed over there. Right or wrong, that’s just funny - kind of like Libya being elected to chair the UN Human Rights Body…

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Dr. Kill

I am not making a judgment on what the guy did. I don’t know enough about it to make a judgment. I just found the irony kind of funny that he won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Vietnam at the same time he was instituting bombing raids and having people killed over there. Right or wrong, that’s just funny - kind of like Libya being elected to chair the UN Human Rights Body…

Funny indeed.

I do think the Arafat prize dumped Nobel in the crapper.

The guy was one of the great terrorist/murderers of all time.

Hey, give peace a chance, right?

[Lil bastard]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

Funny indeed.

I do think the Arafat prize dumped Nobel in the crapper.

The guy was one of the great terrorist/murderers of all time.

Hey, give peace a chance, right?

Yea, well you know what they say: "Yesterday's Terrorist becomes tomorrow's Freedom Fighter".

Happens all the time. Arafat is certainly a case in point, not to mention any number of ex-Israelli Prime Ministers, Ho Chi Mihn, and oh yea - Geo. Washington!

@ Dr. Kill - it's all good!

[Brucelee]

Tuesday we told you about several areas around the planet experiencing record cold and snowpack — in the face of all the predictions of global warming.

Now there is word that all four major global temperature tracking outlets have released data showing that temperatures have dropped significantly over the last year. California meteorologist Anthony Watts says the amount of cooling ranges from 65-hundredths of a degree Centigrade to 75-hundreds of a degree.

He says that is a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. Watts says it is the single fastest temperature change ever recorded — up or down.

Some scientists contend the cooling is the result of reduced solar activity — which they say is a larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases.