05 "S' 987 breakdown...so upset. maybe swap to 3.4L?

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by eslai

This would actually be the first 987 I've heard of that's actually blown an engine.

Hi,

I can point you to 6 or 7 more documented instances of the M96/23, 24 Engines failing.

There's no reason to believe that it's any more reliable mechanically than the previous M96 variants - no substantive changes were made to the Engine or it's design. Essentially, it was massaged to produce more Power, but it was not improved...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[eslai]

I didn't mean to imply that it was bullet-proof, I was just saying that it was the first 987 engine that I'd heard of that had blown up. 　Haven't seen any on the sites that I frequent.

Not too many bullet-proof engines out there by any manufacturer. One thing's for sure, I don't see any epidemic with the latest series of motors and that's somewhat reassuring as long as the trend continues.

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by eslai

I didn't mean to imply that it was bullet-proof, I was just saying that it was the first 987 engine that I'd heard of that had blown up. 　Haven't seen any on the sites that I frequent.

Not too many bullet-proof engines out there by any manufacturer. One thing's for sure, I don't see any epidemic with the latest series of motors and that's somewhat reassuring as long as the trend continues.

Hi,

You're kidding yourself... they aren't any better, and in fact worse, than the M96/20 engines in terms of reliablity due to the improved Intermediate Shaft...

Happy Motoring,... Jim '99

[eslai]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

You're kidding yourself... they aren't any better, and in fact worse, than the M96/20 engines in terms of reliablity due to the improved Intermediate Shaft...

Happy Motoring,... Jim '99

Look out, folks, here comes The Porsche Lords!

Why do you insist on trying to say "OH YOU'RE WRONG NO MATTER WHAT". I swear you and Jim just LIVE to beat down on anyone here that posts Incorrect Information!!!!!

I came from Mitsubishi Eclipse land, where we had motors grenading every other week in our clubs due to crank walk. The problem with Porsche engines is nothing in comparison, and I hold absolutely zero fear of it. Go ahead and save this post as a bookmark for when my engine blows in the future, I know y'all will relish that.

In addition, when I think of all the crap I've put up with on race courses due to under-engineered parts failure, recent Porsche quality looks like Jesus himself.

If I needed a bulletproof engine, I'd have bought something with an LS1 in it.

[Brucelee]

If I needed a bulletproof engine, I'd have bought something with an LS1 in it.
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I would agree with that statement.

BTW-Jim's opinion is as valid as yours.

I am not sure why it annoys you so much but that is for you to work out.

The fact is, the two design flaws in the Box engine are common knowledge among Porsche folks. They have been written about in Excellence magazine in the tech section.

The Box is a very fine car indeed and there is no reason to lie about its faults which are few and far between. Sad thing is Porsche's refusal to fix them.



PS- I have not heard good thinks about the Mitsu engines but never had one so I don't know.

[eslai]

Well, I don't need to pull a Rodin to work out why I'm annoyed--it's because he always posts as if his opinion is God's own truth. Opinions can be given without making it sound as if you're making a decree. It's not too hard to make a nice, personable post that is also informative, y'know.

Probably just an internet thing, some people don't know how to sound like humans. Mind you, I'm not saying he's wrong (not that I always agree with him, but in this case I don't know much about porsche history; I'm still not living in fear), I'm just saying he's annoying.

I come here to converse with like-minded enthusiasts regardless of experience, not to get gonged off the stage by some grumpus waving the Porsche Jeopardy board game around, or to watch it happen to anyone else.

Happy Motoring,... Eric '05

[eslai]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

The Box is a very fine car indeed and there is no reason to lie about its faults which are few and far between. Sad thing is Porsche's refusal to fix them.

Well, I don't know--I'd say that Porsche is pretty accommodating with their warrantees, in my experience, although you have to rattle the cage a bit. If the engine's out of warranty I don't expect them to replace it if it fails. If they've replaced it for the same failure a bunch of times during warranty, then of course we have something to talk about. I don't know the history with these engines, I know about RMS but that doesn't seem like a catastrophic failure to me.

As for Mitsubishi, specifically the 4G63, it can take a lot of punishment, but it's not easy to keep cool under boost, and the 95-97 engines had a MASSIVE problem with crank walk that Mitsubishi wouldn't fess up to. Other than that, and the glass trannies, not a bad piece of machine to work with. I've helped race countless of these things over the past five to ten years in rally, track and [sanctioned] street races. Open Track Challenge, California Rally Series, LA Street Race, Gran Prix de Tijuana, etc. Fun cars, but a pain in the ass to keep running.

[hk987]

Went to see my baby after work today. Diagnosis - Intermediate Shaft failure, the main bolt fixating the shaft in place inside the engine is broken. For some reason (im not that technical on engines) the issue is terminal for Porsche.

They are finalizing the paperwork and it will take 1.5 weeks for them to air-freight a new engine from Stuggart, and then another 1.5 weeks to fix. I just want to get it over and done with. Manager says I am the 2nd 987 and there are also 2 997 with this issue in Hong Kong in 2007.

[Brucelee]

Well, I don't know--I'd say that Porsche is pretty accommodating with their warrantees, in my experience, although you have to rattle the cage a bit. If the engine's out of warranty I don't expect them to replace it if it fails. If they've replaced it for the same failure a bunch of times during warranty, then of course we have something to talk about. I don't know the history with these engines, I know about RMS but that doesn't seem like a catastrophic failure to me.

I should have been clearer. I meant to fix the design flaw, not repair the failures when they ocurr.

Porsche seems pretty good about warranty repairs.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by eslai

I didn't mean to imply that it was bullet-proof, I was just saying that it was the first 987 engine that I'd heard of that had blown up. 　Haven't seen any on the sites that I frequent.

Not too many bullet-proof engines out there by any manufacturer. One thing's for sure, I don't see any epidemic with the latest series of motors and that's somewhat reassuring as long as the trend continues.

Actually, there are plenty of engines that do not grenade like the Porsches.

And, they have been doing it since 1997.

Lets not sugar coat this issue, it is real.