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[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

James how did the Boxster feel at 154mph?

I REFUSE TO ANSWER IT!

[[z0ne]]

Originally Posted by TriGem2k

I REFUSE TO ANSWER IT!

:lol: Glad you had fun, James.

Just like HiFi said, I would take down the pictures of your tickets, or at least blur out your personal information. You don't want us ratting you out to your father, now do ya?

[conradtan]

Slightly different scenario:

I was going 95+ in a 25 zone @ 4AM one morning about 15 years ago (younger-dumber days) got caught on radar for 96mph. Lost my license for 6 months. Paid $800+ for fines. But like I said, different scenario. Go to court and ask the clerk if you need representation, they will most likely know. Good luck man.

[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by conradtan

Slightly different scenario:

I was going 95+ in a 25 zone @ 4AM one morning about 15 years ago (younger-dumber days) got caught on radar for 96mph. Lost my license for 6 months. Paid $800+ for fines. But like I said, different scenario. Go to court and ask the clerk if you need representation, they will most likely know. Good luck man.

WAYY different Scenario. You did close to 4 times the posted speed limit.

From what I've read and learned so far is that MAXIMUM suspension would be 30days.

I'm crossing my fingers and praying for a FINE.

[MNBoxster]

Hi,

These threads always amaze me. Some owner breaks the Sound Barrier, gets caught, and is instantly hit with the reality of their actions. What did you think would happen?

I guess part of me wants to see the book thrown at you. At least that would be my leaning if I heard a news report of some kid driving a Sports Car in excess of 100 MPH on a public street. People doing what you did kill and maim other people every day and they never thought it could happen to them either, until it does.

But, because we know you, we're all supposed to sympathize with your situation and give you all kinds of advice on how to get out of it.

It's interesting that you seem more concerned with your Parents finding out than you are with the legal ramifications of what you've done. Maybe they're a system which can't be beat.

While it isn't going down all that smoothly, I do hope you come out of this OK. And also, that you learned to confine your 70+ MPH activity to the Track where it belongs and appreciate the meaning of Impulse Control the next time you get the urge to take a speed challenge...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Pilot2519j]

Go with a lawyer! At least he will reduce the exposure you have now. Plead diminished capacity throw in Your Honor I was possesed by Hans Stuck. Just messing good luck

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

While it isn't going down all that smoothly, I do hope you come out of this OK. And also, that you learned to confine your 70+ MPH activity to the Track where it belongs and appreciate the meaning of Impulse Control the next time you get the urge to take a speed challenge...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

if I'm not mistaken the male brain doesn't finish developing until the age of 25(frontal lobe?). The part of the brain that manages risk and its consequences.
Another reason why I don't buy cars from women (all) or young drivers(most).
Its either a case of a car that has been neglected or raced.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

if I'm not mistaken the male brain doesn't finish developing until the age of 25(frontal lobe?).

I'm 42. You mean this is as smart as I'm gonna get? Bummer.


The one good decision you made was to stop. You think the BMW got away, but perhaps he didn't. As they say, you can't out run a Motorola. If CHP got that BMW somewhere down the road, he's in a bunch more trouble than you are. On top of speeding, reckless and everything else they could think of, he would likely also be arrested for fleeing and alluding. It doesn't feel like a break right now, but if all you received was a speeding ticket, you got away light. Personally, I wouldn't make too many waves. A prosecutor might realize how many charges the Officer missed and tack them on as a special parting gift.

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

if I'm not mistaken the male brain doesn't finish developing until the age of 25(frontal lobe?). The part of the brain that manages risk and its consequences...

Hi,

What is that? The All-American excuse? His brain wasn't developed, so he's not accountable for his actions?

While we're at it, let's include the Twinky defense, Latchkey Kid Syndrome, ADHD, and too much violence on TV.

I'm sorry, but this Country has young people between the ages of 21-25 in all sorts of positions of responsibility from OTR Truckers hauling all sorts of hazardous materials, to Police, Firemen, Air Traffic Controllers, Nurses, even some Doctors and Airline Pilots, not to mention about 65% of the Armed Forces to name only a few. Most of them perform these responsibilities splendidly.

And, let's not forget that society has determined that these people are old enough, mature enough, to buy alcohol, firearms, enter into contracts to buy Homes, Cars, and the like, not to mention, running for Office and casting a vote.

The Brain may not be fully developed, but that's no excuse. It is also said that a person has the ability to distinguish between right and wrong by the age of 7. And that's what didn't happen here.

Let's not cast aspersions on the entire age group because of the irresponsible behavior of a relative few. My hat's off to these kids!

I'll be counting on them to take care of me in my old age in 20 or so years, the same way I took care of their Grandparents and Great-Grandparents when I was their age...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Brucelee]

I'll be counting on them to take care of me in my old age in 20 or so years, the same way I took care of their Grandparents and Great-Grandparents when I was their age...

You are not kidding! I was looking at the Federal Governments accounting statements recently. Frankly, without A LOT of these kids paying big time into SS and Medicare, we are toast.

Long live the 20 yr olds and I hope we have a ton of them in wage paying jobs!

[Chills]

WOOT, Jim mentioned Air Traffic Controllers.

I became a controller at age 22.

[dharrisonwu]

TrimGem - -

You're looking at a fine of up to $500 for first offense under Section 22348(b) and the Court can also order license suspension for up to 30 days for the first offense pursuant to Section 13200.5. You're also looking at traffic violation point count of 2 points pursuant to Section 12810(d)(1).

With mandatory penalty assessments and surcharges, the $500 will be much much more.

You're lucky that you weren't hit with reckless driving - - a misdeameanor.

By the way, which county were you pulled over in?

[jeffsquire]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

These threads always amaze me. Some owner breaks the Sound Barrier, gets caught, and is instantly hit with the reality of their actions. What did you think would happen?

I guess part of me wants to see the book thrown at you. At least that would be my leaning if I heard a news report of some kid driving a Sports Car in excess of 100 MPH on a public street. People doing what you did kill and maim other people every day and they never thought it could happen to them either, until it does.

But, because we know you, we're all supposed to sympathize with your situation and give you all kinds of advice on how to get out of it.

It's interesting that you seem more concerned with your Parents finding out than you are with the legal ramifications of what you've done. Maybe they're a system which can't be beat.

While it isn't going down all that smoothly, I do hope you come out of this OK. And also, that you learned to confine your 70+ MPH activity to the Track where it belongs and appreciate the meaning of Impulse Control the next time you get the urge to take a speed challenge...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

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As unklekraker said, he fessed up and appears to have learned. I have seen a few young folk in court more worried about their parents then they are the judge. This may be TriGem's scenario. Let's hope he learned, but again he posted for advice, not lambasting.

This reminds me of the first capital case I ever tried. After we were done with a week's worth of witnesses and rested my case, the defense attorney came to me, shook my hand and said, "Jeff, you did a great job, and win or lose, at least tonight you and I are not going to prison for the rest of our lives."

Agree with you Jeff, MN Boxster almost makes it sound like Trigem was being malicious when it's clear he was being capricious. What's the difference? Intent! Speeding tickets are bull**************** items whose only purpose is to make money. In my state, a Trooper died chasing a motorcycle in a Tahoe at 100 plus. The kid is in state pen but talk to any officer and they will tell you chasing a mcy with a Tahoe at 100 plus is just plain stupid. The recklessness is on both sides. Finally, being in medicine, I see people driving that have no business walking. Suffering dementia or worse, frankly I'll take my chances with a kid with a sports car and good reflexes trying to have a good time. You can bet that if Trigem had a tin to display the outcome would have been different, the county's laws are full of hypocrisy.

It's also true he asked specifically not to be castigated in his first post.

[yellowbox]

so how much does traffic attorney typically charges? if you haven't done traffic school, wouldn't it be better to pay the fine and pay for traffic school to avoid seeing the judge?? I guess if you got a misdeamonor, that's a diff story.

Originally Posted by yellowbox

so how much does traffic attorney typically charges? if you haven't done traffic school, wouldn't it be better to pay the fine and pay for traffic school to avoid seeing the judge?? I guess if you got a misdeamonor, that's a diff story.

Whatever the lawyer charges is far and away better than risking the outcome at this speed. The fees contrasted againsts fines and insurance increases will seem cheap in retrospect.

[savowood]

A lot of what will happen depends on what already happened.

Did you admit to speeding to the officer? What's here on this forum doesn't matter. What you said directly to the officer is what matters.

If you didn't admit to it to the officer, then you might actually get off. The officer stated he "got you on RADAR". Basically, he doesn't know what he got on his RADAR. It was something, but since he can't see the beam, he doesn't know what it was. He can make a reasonable guess, but since there were two vehicles in range, you might be able to get out of it. Tell the judge you weren't going the speed indicated. You were going faster, but you don't have to tell him that. It's that whole self-incrimination thing. You just need to provide a reasonable doubt that the RADAR displayed the speed YOU were going. If I remember your account correctly, you began slowing down and the BMW passed you. I'm guessing it passed you pretty quickly. Depending on timing, angles, field of view, etc., you stand a good chance of getting off. But, if you're not confident in your appearance and demeanor, you'll get crushed. Get an attorney to help you out. The money you spend on the attorney is going to be less than you'll spend on insurance over the next few years.

Now, go find a group that does track events and confine your high-speed endeavors to the track.

That being said, I should take my own advice. However, since I actually teach to many different law enforcement agencies around the area, I know many of the patrol officers and I usually get a "Oh, it's you!" followed shortly thereafter by a "Have a nice day." If I don't, I hopefully know someone who can help.

The biggest thing to remember is, don't admit to anything on the side of the road. The cop is going to write up the whole incident with decent accuracy right after you pull away. If you admitted to the incident, it'll be in the notes.

-Michael

[jeffsquire]

Originally Posted by yellowbox

so how much does traffic attorney typically charges? if you haven't done traffic school, wouldn't it be better to pay the fine and pay for traffic school to avoid seeing the judge?? I guess if you got a misdeamonor, that's a diff story.

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I think at this point his main concern is not money or insurance but suspension. That's the kicker.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by DrRoentgen

Agree with you Jeff, MN Boxster almost makes it sound like Trigem was being malicious when it's clear he was being capricious. What's the difference? Intent! Speeding tickets are bull**************** items whose only purpose is to make money. In my state, a Trooper died chasing a motorcycle in a Tahoe at 100 plus. The kid is in state pen but talk to any officer and they will tell you chasing a mcy with a Tahoe at 100 plus is just plain stupid.

Perhaps, if the guy on the bike wasn't being "capricious", the cop wouldn't have died. Likewise, out o curiosity was "speeding" the only crime that caused the chase or was there more to being capricious? Or is behavior "capricious" as long as no bodily harm occurs? Personally, I don't think speeding tickets and speed limits are stupid; I agree with MNBoxster as a matter of point.

Originally Posted by cfos

Perhaps, if the guy on the bike wasn't being "capricious", the cop wouldn't have died. Likewise, out o curiosity was "speeding" the only crime that caused the chase or was there more to being capricious? Or is behavior "capricious" as long as no bodily harm occurs? Personally, I don't think speeding tickets and speed limits are stupid; I agree with MNBoxster as a matter of point.

I didn't say speed limits were stupid, you did. I said that speeding, in general is a fee fishing expedition. Everyone in NY is doing 80 on the highway, posted speed is 65, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Oh and speeding was the only crime in the NY trooper case, I've never been through police training and I know you don't try to run down an excellent motorcycle driver with a truck, that trooper is lucky he didn't wipe out a family of six. Lastly, I have family in federal law enforcement, local law enforcement and Sheriff dept. They all speed when they are not on duty, go figure...