Whoa!!! Just desnorkled!!!

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by JackG

Actually, later bismoto posted that he repeated the dyno pulls, alternately putting the snorkel in and out, and said that he got the same results.

Hi,

If he didn't alter his methodology, that's not surprising. His original description left enough error on the table (and I mentioned just some of the ways error was/could be introduced) to make such a small reported increase inconclusive.

Again, the type of Dyno (DynoPak) he has is only really useful as a dynamic tuning tool, just like a Rolling Road, despite his claims to the contrary.

People flock to a Tuner or Aftermarket Supplier who claims Dyno results like Sailors on Liberty flock to Bordellos.

There are so many ways errors can be introduced, sometimes even unbeknownst to the operator. What is the Brake setting? How does the Software make it's corrections, Weather, Fuel Quality, and on and on.

Now, if the reported increases were beyond the probability of error, say 50 HP, I wouldn't be so adament.

But, he reported increases which were well below the possible error. He may have gotten a 5 HP increase, but that would be better expressed as 5 HP ± 15 or so HP (possibility of error) . That's a totally different thing...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Perfectlap]

unless noted, nearly all aftermarket makers dyno cars using higher than widely available gas-o-lean. The kind you and I never run on a daily basis.

[2000SoCalBoxsterS]

Guys, how do I insert a picture of my car in my posts or use an Avatar? I clicked the edit Avatar link and it's stuck on "don't use Avatar"?????????

Thanks,
Steve

Red 2000 Boxster S
only 37,800 miles and absolutely mint condition. I have babied it since new. Obviously not my daily driver.

[Travis]

I sent you a PM.

btw:
Your username is 2000SoCalBoxsterS, but you live in NY . . . wazupwitdat?

Originally Posted by 2000SoCalBoxsterS

Guys, how do I insert a picture of my car in my posts or use an Avatar? I clicked the edit Avatar link and it's stuck on "don't use Avatar"?????????

Thanks,
Steve

Red 2000 Boxster S
only 37,800 miles and absolutely mint condition. I have babied it since new. Obviously not my daily driver.

[JackG]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

If he didn't alter his methodology, that's not surprising. His original description left enough error on the table (and I mentioned just some of the ways error was/could be introduced) to make such a small reported increase inconclusive.

Again, the type of Dyno (DynoPak) he has is only really useful as a dynamic tuning tool, just like a Rolling Road, despite his claims to the contrary.

People flock to a Tuner or Aftermarket Supplier who claims Dyno results like Sailors on Liberty flock to Bordellos.

Since you weren't there, you are making a lot of assuptions in your comments. But this is true:

Bismoto has a dyno, and did some pulls with his 986. He saw, and reported, an increase in HP with the snorkle removed. He even posted that he repeatedly re-created the results. You continually smear his results.

Meanwhile, you don't own a dyno, and have made no pulls on one with your Boxster, at least that you've told us about. But you present yourself as the know-it-all about this mod, and how dyno results are to be interpreted. But that's not your field of expertise as you have described it. I believe you are an ex-pilot?

Bismoto had nothing to sell us. No kit to install. No special, magical parts to sell us. Just his dyno results to report. He repeated his results, and posted that he did, in conditions that would render your concerns moot. It appears that he has nothing to gain in mis-representing his results.

Unless you are calling him a liar, he's posted his burden of proof. You have not. What dog do you have in this hunt?

[blinkwatt]

Bisimoto also did a dyno of a desnorkeled 2.7L,NO CHANGE ANYWHERE IN THE POWERBAND! Why would the test on the 2.7L show no changes at all,then the 3.2L showing gains? It makes no sense.

[chaudanova]

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

Bisimoto also did a dyno of a desnorkeled 2.7L,NO CHANGE ANYWHERE IN THE POWERBAND! Why would the test on the 2.7L show no changes at all,then the 3.2L showing gains? It makes no sense.

Perhaps you misread the posting for this. That was my 2.7 baseline dyno of my car, and the only mod being the desnorkle. The dyno wasn't to show a baseline of before desnorkeling, versus after desnorkling. The "baseline" was of my stock 2.7 with the single mod of a desnorkle. The dyno test had nothing to do with the desnorkle debate, rather for the purpose of having a baseline number to compare with after adding Bisi's header in the future. Hope this clarifies for you....

[blinkwatt]

Originally Posted by chaudanova

Perhaps you misread the posting for this. That was my 2.7 baseline dyno of my car, and the only mod being the desnorkle. The dyno wasn't to show a baseline of before desnorkeling, versus after desnorkling. The "baseline" was of my stock 2.7 with the single mod of a desnorkle. The dyno test had nothing to do with the desnorkle debate, rather for the purpose of having a baseline number to compare with after adding Bisi's header in the future. Hope this clarifies for you....

O.K.,now that makes sense.

[Bisimoto]

The experiment was repeated several times, and the results were conclusive: there are power gains with the "desnork".

For those who feel that it does not provide gains, be my guest to dyno it yourselves, or visit my facility, and we can do it together...R&D is my forte, and the primary reason that I own a dyno to to perform testing in order to yield results: good and bad.

FYI, TRD, Factory Scion, and Factory Acura (all based in So. Cal), periodically use my facility for testing as well, and the same methodology has been used to test their intakes as well. Their presence and needs are the key reasons why I am moving to a larger place next week.

Stay tuned!

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

...Why would the test on the 2.7L show no changes at all,then the 3.2L showing gains? It makes no sense.

Hypothetically speaking, the restriction is under the 2.7 threshold, but over the 3.2's... i.e. the 3.2 sucks more air, and is more sensitive to intake restrictions. Just a possibility



@ Bisimoto, sorry I butchered your handle I hope the AEM venture is fruitful. What the world really needs is a user programmable 986 ECU that's pnp, and keeps all the DME functionality.