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Originally Posted by JayG

no, I want the last word

WORD

and BigJake, your grammer is better

"Bird" is the word
You obviously hadn't heard

New page...ahhhhhhhh

[Jake Raby]

[QUOTE=BYprodriver;427076]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

Car = $10k
Raby motor = $20k (or more. I don't care enough to check and I will never buy anything from or by him)
Total invested in car = $30k

Basic math states that Raby rebuilds are a baaaaaaad investment.

This is pointed out during the consultation Jake gives before starting the job.

Again, it's not a rebuild. For a rebuild call the original poster of this thread.

Yes, the only time my engine makes sense is if the car will be kept for many years, or forever. As byprodriver states, that's the first thing I will point out in a consultation.

Big Jake, I have a 3400S Rufster here now, it's getting a Raby 4.0 if I can't save the engine that's in it now.

Here's one more sentence that needs clarification:

Additionally, from what I see your new IMS solutions looks like a different variation that essentially copies the oil feed concept that TuneRS developed and use in their race cars

You are confused. Very confused. The IMS Solution has zero in common with the DOF. One is an uncontrolled oil spray onto a ball bearing, the other pressure feeds a plain, journal bearing which radially and longitudinally supports the whole of the IMS assembly with a hydrodynamic film of oil. Both may use engine oil, however the way this oil is delivered and how it is used are radically different. One omits the ball bearing completely, while the other simply sprays oil onto a factory style bearing.

[TeamOxford]

See now...... there's room for both Jake and Martin (and others) in the Porsche world.

Jake can provide for customers who insist on only the best, with cost being no logical object, and Martin provides a lower cost, and still viable, alternative to those who want keep their crippled rides on the road.

The passion displayed by both of them is admirable.

You know what's coming next:



Just sayin'....................

TO

[cnavarro]

Originally Posted by porsche-land

Mr. Raby,

With all due respect to what you do, you can keep pushing your theory to everybody out there who believes in you like in God. People pay you $700 for a bearing that costs you $100 to make. We know you don't produce the actual bearings, you buy them, you just produce the rest. Everyone can go to any CNC shop, and get all the remaining parts made for about $60. You buy your bearings, and simply engrave your name on it, or you might have the factory engrave your name on it.
These bearings are the same exact quality as ours, or any other good quality material bearing available out there.
Anyone can buy these bearings themselves if they search for it!

With all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. Yes, our bearing races and cages are made by IJK out of Japan. The balls themselves are made by SKF for our bearing supplier who custom assembles these bearings for us and only for us. They are not cheap but I'm not going to discuss specific bearing cost with you, and no, you can't buy these specific bearings from anywhere else.

Furthermore, the issue of price has been hashed out years earlier on several forums- there is more than just material cost that goes into a product. You have many pricing levels for resellers from the wholesaler to the shop to the end user, and you have to provide margins for everyone along the way. If we didn't have a worldwide distribution network and sold direct, we could sell the kit for less than what you charge for yours.

Now, since we are talking about bearings, let's talk about your bearings - you supply a Romanian URB bearing, part number NUP 204E:

Cylindrical roller bearings KFB/URB NUP 204 E (new machine offer).

Even though you took some effort to remove the part number off the bearing, it was still visible. I asked our bearing engineer about this bearing and their consensus is that "URB is sort of the “Harbor Freight” of roller bearings." You advertise this kit as made in Germany on eBay, but the bearing is not German at all.

You could easily find the same size and type of bearing made by FAG or SKF, but of German origin in the $30-40 range. The rest of your kit consists of a cheap bolt, a few nuts, and spacer. There really is no reason why your kit should be any more expensive than the Pelican Parts kit which is also designed to use the original flange. Your kit also comes with no instructions whatsoever. Wayne wrote a book and has a whole section in there and on the Pelican website about installing their bearing kit. And we have the Bentley Publisher's video that Tony Callas helped make along with very detailed instructions (albeit without any pictures).

And speaking of roller bearings, the other commercially available roller bearing kit offered also uses a URB bearing (and they also claim made in the USA), but their bearing is much larger, so comparing apples to apples, their bearing has more load capacity. Also, their kit has seen several revisions, adding provisions for extra oil to the bearing, which yours does not, since their kit comes with a new flange.



Forsche-Land's bearing kit is shown left - the EPS kit is shown right.

Furthermore our European agents, even one from Germany, has never seen or heard anything about your roller bearing kit. So again, like many before you, you can say there are thousands of these in service and that everyone uses them, but where is the proof?

[golonaus]

Originally Posted by TeamOxford

See now...... there's room for both Jake and Martin (and others) in the Porsche world.

Jake can provide for customers who insist on only the best, with cost being no logical object, and Martin provides a lower cost, and still viable, alternative to those who want keep their crippled rides on the road.

The passion displayed by both of them is admirable.

You know what's coming next:



Just sayin'....................

TO

finally some logic in this tread

[porsche-land]

Originally Posted by cnavarro

With all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. Yes, our bearing races and cages are made by IJK out of Japan. The balls themselves are made by SKF for our bearing supplier who custom assembles these bearings for us and only for us. They are not cheap but I'm not going to discuss specific bearing cost with you, and no, you can't buy these specific bearings from anywhere else.

Furthermore, the issue of price has been hashed out years earlier on several forums- there is more than just material cost that goes into a product. You have many pricing levels for resellers from the wholesaler to the shop to the end user, and you have to provide margins for everyone along the way. If we didn't have a worldwide distribution network and sold direct, we could sell the kit for less than what you charge for yours.

Now, since we are talking about bearings, let's talk about your bearings - you supply a Romanian URB bearing, part number NUP 204E:

Cylindrical roller bearings KFB/URB NUP 204 E (new machine offer).

Even though you took some effort to remove the part number off the bearing, it was still visible. I asked our bearing engineer about this bearing and their consensus is that "URB is sort of the “Harbor Freight” of roller bearings." You advertise this kit as made in Germany on eBay, but the bearing is not German at all.

You could easily find the same size and type of bearing made by FAG or SKF, but of German origin in the $30-40 range. The rest of your kit consists of a cheap bolt, a few nuts, and spacer. There really is no reason why your kit should be any more expensive than the Pelican Parts kit which is also designed to use the original flange. Your kit also comes with no instructions whatsoever. Wayne wrote a book and has a whole section in there and on the Pelican website about installing their bearing kit. And we have the Bentley Publisher's video that Tony Callas helped make along with very detailed instructions (albeit without any pictures).

And speaking of roller bearings, the other commercially available roller bearing kit offered also uses a URB bearing (and they also claim made in the USA), but their bearing is much larger, so comparing apples to apples, their bearing has more load capacity. Also, their kit has seen several revisions, adding provisions for extra oil to the bearing, which yours does not, since their kit comes with a new flange.



Forsche-Land's bearing kit is shown left - the EPS kit is shown right.

Furthermore our European agents, even one from Germany, has never seen or heard anything about your roller bearing kit. So again, like many before you, you can say there are thousands of these in service and that everyone uses them, but where is the proof?

If you'd read the description in our Ebay listing it says:
"This set is produced in Germany, most of independent Porsche repair shops use this exact set to update IMS in Europe."
We get the whole set from our partner shop in Germany. Nowhere it states that this bearing is made in Germany. It says the whole set is made in Germany. Same as your set is made in US, it doesn't say anywhere that you use a Japanese bearing. You, or we might as well use German, Polish, Romanian or any other bearing produced out there. Porsche factory does the same.
In the end, it doesn't matter where the bearing is produced, it's the quality that matters. The globalization has it's rights, companies search for cheaper labor costs around the world, but still keep the same quality of materials.
Even factory Porsche parts are produced all around the world, Ukraine, Poland, Chech Republic, Portugal, and Italy.
The IMS kits we sell have been tested in Europe for many years, and the retrofit concept has been been around for many years before your patent.
You're stating that IMS kit we sell is not good, let us repeat again, our partners in Europe have been using it for MANY YEARS, and never has a problem with them.
The truth is, that your bearings, and our bearings are very similar to the Porsche quality from factory.
How do you explain the fact that many IMS bearings have been used for many miles, and are still good. Whereas, some give up after as little as 15k miles? It depends on the series of bearings which the factory was using at the time. Porsche used bearings from Japan, Poland, and Germany at the time, doesn't matter which one it was, some gave up after low mileage, and some worked for years without any problems.
Therefore, your or our factory made bearings are not better or worse than the original ones used by Porsche. The only difference is that you cannot purchase a Porsche bearing by itself, you have to buy the whole shaft set for $1800 plus tax.
The only problem with Porsche bearings is that the load capacity is too low, and RPM's are too high. In the long run (ie:200k miles), same thing will happen with your or our bearings.
That's why Porsche wouldn't take the risk anymore, and changed it to the bigger shaft.
You business is based on the fact that dealer doesn't sell new bearings by itself, you ave found the niche in the market, and have taken advantage of it.
You overdid it with charging your customers too much for a product that is not worth as much. People didn't have the choice before, now they do.
Now, you and Mr. Raby cannot stand the fact that someone else sells IMS bearings. You research every competitor out there to prove your bearing is the only good one. We sell the bearings, and also rebuild Porsche engines. We use our bearings, and put our name on it. We wouldn't do so if we had any doubts, we're not suicidal.
Maybe you have some tests run by an independent research facility that would conclude your statements? If you do, please forward these to the forum, pretty sure everyone would love to see that.
If you don't , please let us know and we will be able to get it done for you.
As to having your bearings custom assembled, do you really think that nobody else can find a company that will produce and assemble these as well? We are working on it to prove you within a week that it's possible. Even though it sounds like a bunch of lies.
If you claim that you have another supplier producing your balls for the bearings, please provide the proof of that, we don't believe you on this one. Please send a video on YouTube of that process, and then we will believe in your claims.
Since you have been open about your production process, please see it through, and we will take our hats off to your invention if you can prove it.

[Topless]

Cat Fight!!!!

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Giller

The majority? Cite the case. Where's your facts to back this up? And just what is this corporate multinational agenda you speak of?

Are you one of those that thinks America only went to war because of the oil? God, I hope not, cause that means us Canadians are next! (We are America's biggest oil supplier, outside of America's own supply).

When we really want your oil, we will just take it. Thanks. Besides, we've been drilling under Niagra Falls for years, and you never noticed. Sip by sip, baby.

[CHRISP357]

Wait a second here, did Jake Raby just call people who don't use his service "bottom feeders"? Sorry there Obama, not all of us drink your Kool-aid. But thank you for making my decision so much easier.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by JayG

no, I want the last word

WORD

and BigJake, your grammer is better

Umm, it's spelled grammar, genious.

[Timco]

As a self-employed person, I let accounts go before I get into this type of pissing match. I do defend my name and reputation, but I don't attack the other guy. I just point out flaws as I see them. I don't compete with a shop in a state here and there, I compete with dozens and dozens of HVACR companies in every city. Must be over a hundred times more competition.

To OP, isn't your screen name here still using the word Porsche? Seems last page you said they ordered you to stop using their name? Just curious.

To say 'bottom feeders' seems low, but to a company like me, I see them all the time and understand the comment. Some people just want to be back on the road tomorrow or get heat on and hope it stays on and not examine anything else. That's great, and there are many techs who will oblige them in both scenarios. Some want the best possible repair and want to check or improve what can be made better to have the whole package and pice of mind. I, like Mr. Raby, take pride in being the more thorough and 'package' choice. If you just want your igniter (or valve spring) swapped and not your combustion (or oil) checked, call someone else. There are many making a great living doing the bare minimum, and the public should weigh the two options and make an educated choice.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

Wait a second here, did Jake Raby just call people who don't use his service "bottom feeders"? Sorry there Obama, not all of us drink your Kool-aid. But thank you for making my decision so much easier.

No, other shops. If you were self-employed and competed against a similar company, you would see the reference. I personally get tired of people calling who have run their systems into the ground only to find 4 stickers from previous 'bottom feeders' who just swapped the single component that failed without checking any other component or fixing the problem that lead the component to fail 4 previous times. Swap and run = bottom feeder.

[cnavarro]

Originally Posted by porsche-land

If you'd read the description in our Ebay listing it says:
"This set is produced in Germany, most of independent Porsche repair shops use this exact set to update IMS in Europe."
We get the whole set from our partner shop in Germany. Nowhere it states that this bearing is made in Germany. It says the whole set is made in Germany. Same as your set is made in US, it doesn't say anywhere that you use a Japanese bearing.

Have you done your homework. Obviously not. There have been dozens if not more discussions on our bearings (and others) on this forum (and others again) and we've provided full disclosure as to the origins of our bearings as being custom made for us by a ceramic bearing specialist out of California. Furthermore, we state right on our website that we use Japanese components:

Is it Genuine?

You, or we might as well use German, Polish, Romanian or any other bearing produced out there. Porsche factory does the same.
In the end, it doesn't matter where the bearing is produced, it's the quality that matters. The globalization has it's rights, companies search for cheaper labor costs around the world, but still keep the same quality of materials.
Even factory Porsche parts are produced all around the world, Ukraine, Poland, Chech Republic, Portugal, and Italy.

Yes, the source of the bearings do matter. It is well known in the bearing world the URB bearings are not much better than the Chinese bearings so prevalent in the market.

The IMS kits we sell have been tested in Europe for many years, and the retrofit concept has been been around for many years before your patent.
You're stating that IMS kit we sell is not good, let us repeat again, our partners in Europe have been using it for MANY YEARS, and never has a problem with them.
The truth is, that your bearings, and our bearings are very similar to the Porsche quality from factory.

You can say this but it's just not true. Our ceramic hybrid is better than the original conventional bearing, but the OE bearings were at least from a trusted manufacturer known for quality bearings.

Hybrid ceramic ball bearings

The closest thing to our single row bearing you can find is a Chinese piece of junk for $70-80. To compare to our bearings, an equivalent SFK ceramic hybrid retails for almost $400 when purchased one at a time.

[QUOTE}How do you explain the fact that many IMS bearings have been used for many miles, and are still good. Whereas, some give up after as little as 15k miles? It depends on the series of bearings which the factory was using at the time. Porsche used bearings from Japan, Poland, and Germany at the time, doesn't matter which one it was, some gave up after low mileage, and some worked for years without any problems.[/QUOTE]

Again, this has been discussed at length. It's just not random why the fail. Load capacity is one issue coupled with many other factors including driving style and maintenance.

Therefore, your or our factory made bearings are not better or worse than the original ones used by Porsche.

No, not true. Making the same false statement repeatedly does not make it true.

The only difference is that you cannot purchase a Porsche bearing by itself, you have to buy the whole shaft set for $1800 plus tax.

Exactly. When I was approached by Bruce Anderson about all the problems with the M96 engine, it was accepted common knowledge that the IMS bearing could not be serviced and that the M96 engine was disposable. We changed the rules.

The only problem with Porsche bearings is that the load capacity is too low, and RPM's are too high. In the long run (ie:200k miles), same thing will happen with your or our bearings.
That's why Porsche wouldn't take the risk anymore, and changed it to the bigger shaft.

This statement proves to me that you do not know what you are talking about. The larger bearing Porsche went to increased the ball speed, reducing street failures, but increasing track failures. Furthermore, ball bearings like RPM - it has been seen time and time again that cars driven like they were stolen (or at high speeds in Germany) have less IMS failures do to higher engine RPMs. This is just like you rebuilding engines and only sleeving the cylinders that have damage or problems, leaving others unfixed, which will eventually fail. We loose one Motormeister to only be replaced by another.

You business is based on the fact that dealer doesn't sell new bearings by itself, you ave found the niche in the market, and have taken advantage of it.
You overdid it with charging your customers too much for a product that is not worth as much. People didn't have the choice before, now they do.
Now, you and Mr. Raby cannot stand the fact that someone else sells IMS bearings. You research every competitor out there to prove your bearing is the only good one.

Our only issue is with competitors that make false claims and knock down our product to make theirs look better. Of course we research our competition and we buy and test all the competition's products, including yours. There are many things that will run if installed, but not run right, IMS kits included. Again there is more than just the sum of the parts.

We sell the bearings, and also rebuild Porsche engines. We use our bearings, and put our name on it. We wouldn't do so if we had any doubts, we're not suicidal.

Considering you've changed your name three times in a year, your name doesn't carry much in the US market or here on the forums. Respect is earned. I, like Jake, have spent thousands of hours on many forums helping others with their problems and developing AND TESTING those solutions we have marketed.

Maybe you have some tests run by an independent research facility that would conclude your statements? If you do, please forward these to the forum, pretty sure everyone would love to see that.

As is commonly posted in threads, use the search feature. This has all been said before. The reason you haven't read any of it is that all you do is come on this forum and post ads for rebuilt engines and do not provide any value to the online Porsche community.

If you don't , please let us know and we will be able to get it done for you.
As to having your bearings custom assembled, do you really think that nobody else can find a company that will produce and assemble these as well? We are working on it to prove you within a week that it's possible. Even though it sounds like a bunch of lies.
If you claim that you have another supplier producing your balls for the bearings, please provide the proof of that, we don't believe you on this one. Please send a video on YouTube of that process, and then we will believe in your claims.
Since you have been open about your production process, please see it through, and we will take our hats off to your invention if you can prove it.

Again, we've already been through the gauntlet. Now it's your turn. Don't think you're being singled out or bullied. The forums did the same thing to us back in 2008 and again when we came out with the IMS Solution.

[itsnotanova]

[QUOTE=Topless;427113]Cat Fight!!!!

[/QUOTE
I think this thread has turned into a bar brawl!
To quote Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"

[TeamOxford]

Originally Posted by Timco

Umm, it's spelled grammar, genious.

Umm, people in glass houses shouldn't.........well, you know.

TO

[Timco]

Originally Posted by TeamOxford

Umm, people in glass houses shouldn't.........well, you know.

TO

I had to decline the auto correct 3 times to spell it that way. It was a joke.

[JayG]

Originally Posted by Timco

I had to decline the auto correct 3 times to spell it that way. It was a joke.

Duh..............

[Flavor 987S]

Originally Posted by Timco

To OP, isn't your screen name here still using the word Porsche? Seems last page you said they ordered you to stop using their name? Just curious.

Good point, Timco. But sadly, that's how unethical people present themselves. They take/steal from others.

[JayG]

Originally Posted by Flavor 987S

Good point, Timco. But sadly, that's how unethical people present themselves. They take/steal from others.

hold on dude, there are over 300 members just on this forum that have "Porsche" in their screen names and hundreds more on other forums. Are you saying they are all unethical?

Its a screen name, get over it!

Yes, Porsche is a protected trademark and cant be used for commercial purposes, but if you cant use the word for other reasons then I guess we all need to start referring to "the car that we can't mention"

We get it, you don't like the guy or company or what he is selling.

We all know what opinions are like .....

[Flavor 987S]

Originally Posted by JayG

hold on dude, there are over 300 members just on this forum that have "Porsche" in their screen names and hundreds more on other forums. Are you saying they are all unethical?.....

No dude, IMO, only Porsche-land, a.k.a. Forsche-land, a.k.a. Martin Biernacki is unethical. I like the other +299 forum members. Let's just let the Porsche AG attorneys handle this one like the did back in June. They move swiftly.