Vacuum leak - smoke test shows smoke coming from under the air oil sperator

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Vtx531

Replaced AOS with genuine Porsche unit. CEL is back P1126 P1133. Maybe another smoke test is in order but it seems like it is cutting out and hesitating when under load and snapshot showed CEL triggered at 18.8% load.

Any thoughts? Perhaps I need to run some graphing software to see what is going on at higher loads

Latest snapshot:

P1126
Sys1 CL
Sys2 CL
Load 18.8%
ETC 187 degrees
Sft1 19.5
Lft1 28.9
Sft2 18.0
Lft2 26.6
Rpm 2440
Vss 45

Prior to replacing AOS and resecuring the boot I was getting P1128/P1130 triggered with P1126/P1133 pending.

Prior snapshot:

P1128
Sys1 CL
Sys2 CL
Load 2.0%
ETC 226 degrees (had overheating issue that is now fixed)
Sft1 -3.9
Lft1 14.1
Sft2 -4.7
Lft2 13.3
Rpm 680
Vss 0

The original code/snapshot looks like a classic vacuum leak but the new one maybe a MAF sensor?

Any help appreciated!

Your current snapshot and the fact that you have hesitation under load suggest a vacuum leak.
I would buy a vacuum gauge (about $20.00 at most auto parts store). and do an intake vacuum test. Should read 18-22 on the gauge with a steady needle at idle.
That will prove out yes or no on the possibility of a vacuum leak problem.

If you suspect a faulty MAF sensor unplug it. Take the car for a short drive and see if that improves engine performance. If it does then the MAF is faulty, if it doesn't then most likely the MAF sensor is not the problem. But the wiring to the sensor could be.


Your latest work on the AOS could be related to your current codes. double check your work. Make sure everything is connected correctly and that you didn't knock some wiring or vacuum hose loose in the area of your work.

Since your car is a 2001 it has E-gas throttle (drive by wire) after you disconnected your battery did you recalibrate your throttle when you reconnected the battery???? Before starting the car.????

[Vtx531]

Originally Posted by blue62

Your current snapshot and the fact that you have hesitation under load suggest a vacuum leak.
I would buy a vacuum gauge (about $20.00 at most auto parts store). and do an intake vacuum test. Should read 18-22 on the gauge with a steady needle at idle.
That will prove out yes or no on the possibility of a vacuum leak problem.

If you suspect a faulty MAF sensor unplug it. Take the car for a short drive and see if that improves engine performance. If it does then the MAF is faulty, if it doesn't then most likely the MAF sensor is not the problem. But the wiring to the sensor could be.


Your latest work on the AOS could be related to your current codes. double check your work. Make sure everything is connected correctly and that you didn't knock some wiring or vacuum hose loose in the area of your work.

Since your car is a 2001 it has E-gas throttle (drive by wire) after you disconnected your battery did you recalibrate your throttle when you reconnected the battery???? Before starting the car.????

I did not recalibrate the throttle. How do I do that?

After replacing the AOS I just cleared the codes. Then it idled extremely poorly for about 60 seconds and then smoothed out.

Is there a specific place that I should connect the vacuum gauge?

I thought hesitation under load would suggest something other than a vacuum leak because there is minimal vacuum with the throttle open?

Seems odd to me that the fuel trims would be worse now! About +50% total seems pretty extreme and I don’t know if a MAF sensor would be that far off. At last not just from being dirty I wouldn’t think. I need to pull it and see if it is a cheapo crap brand like the other parts that have been replaced by the PO in the past.

[Vtx531]

I scanned it with live data at idle. Unfortunately my free software doesn’t graph the data. Any suggestions for software for Porsche?

858 rpm
Load 3.5%
Advance timing +8 degrees
Closed loop
Stft1 -7.03
Stft2 -9.38
Ltft1 +31.25
Ltft2 +31.25
MAF 5.00 g/s

Nothing visibly wrong near the new AOS

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Vtx531

I did not recalibrate the throttle. How do I do that?

After replacing the AOS I just cleared the codes. Then it idled extremely poorly for about 60 seconds and then smoothed out.

Is there a specific place that I should connect the vacuum gauge?

I thought hesitation under load would suggest something other than a vacuum leak because there is minimal vacuum with the throttle open?

Seems odd to me that the fuel trims would be worse now! About +50% total seems pretty extreme and I don’t know if a MAF sensor would be that far off. At last not just from being dirty I wouldn’t think. I need to pull it and see if it is a cheapo crap brand like the other parts that have been replaced by the PO in the past.

To recalibrate your throttle: I would disconnect the battery for say half an hour. Then reconnect battery.
Turn key to on position for one full minute:
Do not start:
Do not touch throttle:
After one full minute turn key off for at lest ten seconds.
Start car: let it idle tell the idle smooths out.
Should be good to go.

Yes with throttle open you have minimal vacuum but you are still getting some unmetered air. So your still lean so you can "possibly" get hesitation.

Most vacuum gauges come with a tee fitting and some hose so you just need to find a vacuum hose on the intake that you can tee into.

If vacuum reading is good: other things to look at:
Possible exhaust leak ahead of O2 sensor: (could be drawing 02 into exhaust ahead of sensor)

Fault with the MAF sensor (as you mentioned)
or wiring from the sensor to the DME.
Fuel:
Pressure and volume. I believe there is a Presta valve on the fuel rail that you can hook a fuel pressure gauge to. Usually they have brass cap on them.
I can look up the pressure specs. for you if you need them.

[Vtx531]

Originally Posted by blue62

Your current snapshot and the fact that you have hesitation under load suggest a vacuum leak.
I would buy a vacuum gauge (about $20.00 at most auto parts store). and do an intake vacuum test. Should read 18-22 on the gauge with a steady needle at idle.
That will prove out yes or no on the possibility of a vacuum leak problem.

If you suspect a faulty MAF sensor unplug it. Take the car for a short drive and see if that improves engine performance. If it does then the MAF is faulty, if it doesn't then most likely the MAF sensor is not the problem. But the wiring to the sensor could be.

I checked vacuum from the brake booster hose. It was slowly waving up and down between 17.5-18”. Is that acceptable? I did another smoke test and couldn’t find anything.

I unplugged the MAF, didn’t drive it but just revved in the driveway. Seemed to improve but still showing lean condition (you add the numbers together correct?) When revved to 4,000 rpm:

Stft1 -14.84%
Stft2 -16.41%

Ltft1 +31.25%
Ltft2 +31.25%

I removed the MAF and it is a Bosch unit. Looks to be in good shape visually. Not sure how to tell if it is genuine Porsche part or aftermarket Bosch. .00 end of part number so it is not the newest version .01.

I took MAF readings at various rpms and it is a straight line when graphed.

800 4.25 g/s
1400 6.00
2200 9.5
3000 12

Where do I go from here??

Would an exhaust leak affect both banks?

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Vtx531

I checked vacuum from the brake booster hose. It was slowly waving up and down between 17.5-18”. Is that acceptable? I did another smoke test and couldn’t find anything.

I unplugged the MAF, didn’t drive it but just revved in the driveway. Seemed to improve but still showing lean condition (you add the numbers together correct?) When revved to 4,000 rpm:

Stft1 -14.84%
Stft2 -16.41%

Ltft1 +31.25%
Ltft2 +31.25%

I removed the MAF and it is a Bosch unit. Looks to be in good shape visually. Not sure how to tell if it is genuine Porsche part or aftermarket Bosch. .00 end of part number so it is not the newest version .01.

I took MAF readings at various rpms and it is a straight line when graphed.

800 4.25 g/s
1400 6.00
2200 9.5
3000 12

Where do I go from here??

Would an exhaust leak affect both banks?

Your vacuum reading is right at the low end of the range but acceptable.
I would unplug the MAF and then take it for a drive to see if it performs differently.

Your long term fuel trims are learned trims based on your short term trims.
So if you have an issue such as a lean condition and then you fix it. It takes some time for the ECU-DME to begin to adjust (Learn the fixed fuel trim) and show as a more normal long term fuel trim.

Going on memory from research here but yes you add the trim numbers together. Bank 1 short and long term added together should not exceed 10 if I remember correctly. same for bank 2.

No an exhaust leak would not affect both banks as the Porsche has twin exhaust manifolds. Sorry brain fart on my part.
Going back through your posts if I read them right you had high positive (no plus or minus sign so I am assuming plus) short term fuel trims before you unplugged the MAF
After you unplugged the MAF you had high negative short term fuel trims. So in my head (oh god) your issue could be MAF sensor.
Unplug it take for a drive see if you still have the hesitation.

[blue62]

VTX531
Question?????
When you did the smoke tests on the car did you remove the MAF sensor?????
They can be very sensitive to contaminants.

[Vtx531]

Originally Posted by blue62

VTX531
Question?????
When you did the smoke tests on the car did you remove the MAF sensor?????
They can be very sensitive to contaminants.

I did not, but I removed the pipe between the MAF and throttle body and introduced the smoke at the throttle body.

****I think (hoping) the problem is solved****

I disconnected the battery for about 1 minute, pressed brake, reconnected, and did ignition on for one minute and off for 10 seconds.

This cleared the codes and reset the long term trim to zero. It ran great right off the bat (unlike before when I only cleared the codes using the scanner). Numbers seem good now at idle and when revved.

Idle:
STFT1 +3.13%
STFT2 +2.34%
LTFT1 -0.78%
LTFT2 -0.78%

[Vtx531]

Not solved!!!

I took it out for a drive and could barely make it around the neighborhood. When giving it gas, the short term trims were pegged at +25% and eventually the long term trims settled above 30% again.

Midway through when idling I was seeing:

STFT1 -19.53%
STFT2 -19.53%
LTFT1 +21.88%
LTFT2 +20.31%

Maybe a fuel delivery issue??

[Vtx531]

Fuel pressure test:

Key on ignition: 42-46 psi. Out of spec. Manual says between 52-58

Idling: 47 psi. In spec. Manual says 46-52psi

When revved in neutral throughout the rpm range the pressure is pretty steady within specs.


Thoughts???

[Vtx531]

I drove around with the MAF disconnected while monitoring the live data.

It seemed to run better with MAF disconnected. The short trims were going negative 20’s under acceleration and trying to balance out the +32% long trims.

When I reconnected the MAF it was adding more positive fuel to the short trims on top of the +32% long trims.

Bad MAF?

[Vtx531]

Now I got P0102 code. Is that just from having the sensor disconnected on and off while testing?

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Vtx531

I drove around with the MAF disconnected while monitoring the live data.

It seemed to run better with MAF disconnected. The short trims were going negative 20’s under acceleration and trying to balance out the +32% long trims.

When I reconnected the MAF it was adding more positive fuel to the short trims on top of the +32% long trims.

Bad MAF?

I am starting to lean toward MAF sensor issue. You could try cleaning it with a cleaner made for the purpose. I think yours is the wire type like the one in my 2000S. just don't touch the wire. clean it good let it dry. put it back in and watch your trims. see what happens,
I had a CEL on mine a year ago. I cleaned it been good ever since.

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Vtx531

Fuel pressure test:

Key on ignition: 42-46 psi. Out of spec. Manual says between 52-58

Idling: 47 psi. In spec. Manual says 46-52psi

When revved in neutral throughout the rpm range the pressure is pretty steady within specs.


Thoughts???

not sure what to think on that. in spec on idle is a positive at least it shows that the injectors are getting correct pressure.
under spec. at key on test is the head scratcher. I believe the key on test is to check that the system is pressurizing properly for initial start up. (That is a guess on my part.)

You had not said anything about starting issues so maybe the low spec is not an issue????

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Vtx531

Now I got P0102 code. Is that just from having the sensor disconnected on and off while testing?

That would be my best guess as 0102 is a MAF code.

[blue62]

Originally Posted by Vtx531

Now I got P0102 code. Is that just from having the sensor disconnected on and off while testing?

sorry double post. things like that happen when I only sleep 3 hours a night

[Vtx531]

Well here is this morning’s tinkering...

I took out the MAF and cleaned it. Reinstalled it and reset the ecu. Short term fuel trims were pegging at +25%. I am guessing that is the maximum it can do. Car had no power, hesitation, ran badly.

Then I unplugged the MAF and it ran great and never go above +10% on the short term fuel trims.

So I am thinking MAF sensor and hopefully it is not an issue with the MAF wiring.

[blue62]

With the MAF plugged in the car runs poor because it is getting a signal or value from the MAF that is wrong or implausible, out of range what ever.
When you unplug the MAF sensor the ECU-DME no longer gets a signal (or value) from the MAF. So the ECU-DME substitutes a value and that forces fuel system to go to a set fuel map. which in turn allows the car to run.
A long way of saying the ECU-DME is recognizing that the MAF signal is missing. So the wiring should be good.
So between the two of us I would say we have pinned it down to a faulty MAF sensor
The proof will be when you spend the big bucks and replace it.
Let me know the outcome.

[Vtx531]

I ordered a Delphi unit from local napa for $100. It was the only one they had in stock. I would prefer Bosch but at least I can try this and see if it fixes the problem. I will be reporting back shortly...

[Vtx531]

I decided to order the Bosch unit instead. Now I have to wait a few days for shipping. Hope this works.